It's time for another gun threadFollow

Judging by Tarvs graph, its Americans with guns that kill people. Mostly.

It's a lot harder for children to accidentally off each other with cars, knives, toothpicks and make-up bags. Toohpicks and make-up bags lying around the house usually aren't such a problem when someone gets all dysphoric after a fight with their partner, and decides to off the partner, or off themself. Cars and kitchen knives certainly can be used to kill, but they aren't lying around with the sole purpose of physically harming or killing a body, or threatening to do so. Guns within reach make death more easily within reach when people find themselves in an emotional crisis.

Long story short, removing guns doesn't remove criminal deaths. It assists in reducing accidental and social deaths.

Interesting appraisal.

Right... keep deluding yourself that every instance of gon ownership in terms of collecting or trading result in deaths.

Most of my guns have been locked in a @#%^ing closet for 4 years. I occasionally shoot rifles at the range with my father.

They are no different than trading in swords, save the fact that a sword weilder would have to be a lot more highly trained to use one on a murderous rampage.

There is no reason to ban all firearms totally. There are many reason to heavily regulate the practice.



It's really, really @#%^ing easy to get rid of, or hide your guns when you have children in your house, or to keep them locked in secure closet.

Most gun accidents I hear about are a direct result of dumb mother@#%^ers who can't work a safety.



Not even remotely true. Many gun ownders own them so that they can sell them later for more money. Killing people is the primary objective of the gun, but it's ridiculous to pretend that it's the ONLY purpose it can have.

Edited, Apr 7th 2009 4:27am by Pensive

Varrus asks for thoughts, thoughts he shall have!

Translation: You might think that Japan has less gun crime! Well, ha! It isn't because of the laws!

Translation: Part of the reason isn't the law, it's their sorting procedure! Take THAT, gun law activists! Oh... huh... I guess that is gun control. Bah! The results speak for themselves:

Translation: Sure, Japan has some of the safest cities in the world. And lowest gun deaths. But, uh... are they REALLY safe?

... yeah, I guess so. But, it's because Japan is a police state!


Translation: See? The Japanese are wimps. They kowtow to the Police (capital letters!), and they don't NEED guns for self-defense because they have a great police force and gun controls! Er. Yeah. Great gun controls and a good police force, along with stiff gun control penalties if you illegally hide a gun make having a gun useless! Which is, I guess, sorta the point of gun control laws... but still...



Yeah, I think your source, even with its paranoia and racism, still supports gun control. Better gun control laws + stiff penalties + good police means the masses don't need guns. I don't really agree with that view, but if you do, hey...


Edit: I also liked the point about "The murder rate is so low because some family murders are defined as suicides:


The quote is from a single piece of literature from 35 years ago. There's good source documentation! And the funny thing is... the outdated SOURCE says that these murders are defined as homicides. There is NO source whatsoever for the next sentence, which completely contradicts the source from the previous sentence (the first says "17% of homicides are parents killing their kids"; the second says "But not really! Actually, SOME of those are labeled as family suicides, not murders! What? Source for that? I don't need no stinkin' source!"


Edited, Apr 7th 2009 9:52am by LockeColeMA

Usually gun deaths in the US aren't from criminals, though. They're from people with little or no history of crime going off the deep end, or accidental shootings from curious kids.

Remember the milkman who shot up the Amish school house a few years ago? There was absolutely nothing criminal about him prior to him going postal.

Blah blah blah, self defense, blah blah. So I suppose the little Amish school girls would be alive today if their parents had given them guns to defend themselves?

Versus how many crimes over all?

I don't consider a study of 5,000 people without an explanation of WHO those people were to be a sound methodology, either.

Ask 5,000 victims of crime over the phone, or ask 5,000 every day people off the street in one town with an average crime rate? The answer you will get for each is astonishingly different.

I used to be a sysop on that site. Very nice people, not very intelligent(edit: ok, I can't lie, many of them were quite learned, but were lacking in common sense) though, and they refuse to stick to facts or state all the evidence if there's any hint of "liberalism".

Conservapedia is not a viable source.



I read it, but I require an ENCYCLOPEDIA type article with no bias...which I know is impossible, but would like to have one anyway.





You know, if the burglar isn't armed, you can't claim emptying a full clip into him as being self-defense successfully, right?





I cannot fathom how anyone who's had a child can be an anorexic 100lbs, unless they're a midget. Also, in allowing those single moms to freely carry guns around, you would also be allowing the people intent on raping and murdering them to freely carry around guns.

Half of the people out there intent on raping and murdering people have little or no past run-ins with officers(this requires a cite, but the point is there's a @#%^ing lot, especially where the rapists are concerned)



Edited, Apr 7th 2009 11:47am by Driftwood

I'm a 2nd Amendment kinda guy. I'm generally against gun control but can accept some reasonable safety regulation.

That said ...

I'd be perfectly happy if no one had a gun. I'm a big strong guy with some training.

20 years ago when my (now ex-)wife came at me with a baseball bat, I laughed, took it away, and locked myself into a bedroom until she calmed down. She would not have been able to do the same had I been going at her with a bat.

So when you figure out how to 100% prevent others from having weapons that can overcome my physical advantage, then I'll support eliminating all guns.

Knee caps muthafucka.

Right. This is my point. No need to go beyond that.

I disagree completely that undemonizing them will make them safer. I think the exact opposite would happen than what you predict if we were to casually accept guns into our homes.
Actually, I'm guessing more people die angry-behind -the-wheel than by shooting themselves or someone else. Kids, teens particularly, are at a much greater risk of dying to a car crash than an accidental OR intentional gun shot wound. But, atm, cars are kinda necessary in our society, guns not so much.





Edited, Apr 7th 2009 6:33pm by Elinda