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#1 Apr 06 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
What with all the shootings and all, from people paranoid that Barack Obama is going to steal their guns.

Some background: I live in the South. My family is from out West. My mother was a sharpshooter in the army; my sister was in ROTC. My mom kept an unloaded gun in the house, with no bullets since her permit had long since expired. Maybe if she had had bullets she'd still be alive today, since she was murdered in her home. My brother in law hunts, so do all my aunts and uncles and cousins. And they hunt real animals for real food, not just foxes and rabbits for sport.

And yet.

And yet, I've never touched a gun, and I have no desire to. I'd rather not think about them, really. Knives and swords are much more my style. Guns are just so inelegant.

My biggest concern with guns is that all these people that aren't supposed to get them, are somehow getting them. The kid that shot up VA Tech with a history of depression. That immigrant that shot up his former classmates cuz he lost his job. The dude with a history of violent crime and felonies.

It seems to me that additional restrictions of gun laws are unnecessary. We just need to enforce the ones we already have. Any Joe the Plumber that looks remotely sane can walk into a public gun show, pay his $20 admission, see the latest ******* from the manufactures, plunk down cash and walk out armed to the teeth, all with no background check or anything more than a request for something vaguely resembling a gun permit.

Probably the best solution would be to have a national gun permit database, and required vendors at gun shows to verify the validity of permits before selling to anyone. Sort of how like you have to have a valid driver's license before you can buy a car. People with genuine up to date permits should have no problem with such a database. And if vendors are found guilty of not checking gun permits (as one local firearms store around here was) then need to have their firearms selling license revoked until they can re-train their salesman to do it right.
#2 Apr 06 2009 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
catwho the Pest wrote:
It seems to me that additional restrictions of gun laws are unnecessary.


catwho the Pest wrote:
My biggest concern with guns is that all these people that aren't supposed to get them, are somehow getting them. The kid that shot up VA Tech with a history of depression. That immigrant that shot up his former classmates cuz he lost his job. The dude with a history of violent crime and felonies.


Seems to me the answer is to dope people up more. Happy people, even the artificially happy, don't shoot people.
#3 Apr 06 2009 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
Soma tabs for all? Smiley: dubious

Hell, all I need is Sudafed 24 hour. That stuff needs no further processing to get me on a nice little trip while drying up my nostril faucets.
#4 Apr 06 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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#5 Apr 06 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Japan has negative firearm deaths. I think it means that you fire a gun and a Japanese baby pops out.
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#6 Apr 06 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
And here in the great state of Tennessee, we want to allow people to bring their guns into our bars!

http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/42530157.html wrote:
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- A bill to allow people with handgun carry permits to bring their weapons into establishments where alcohol is served is scheduled for a vote in the Tennessee House.

Rep. Curry Todd, a Collierville Republican and a retired police officer, last week delayed a vote on his bill when it appeared the chamber would approve a change to strip out an 11 p.m. curfew for when guns could be carried in bars and restaurants.

He says he's working with other members of the House to defeat the effort to remove time restrictions.

The bill would ban handguns at any establishment with enforced age restrictions, and the measure would maintain current rules that prohibit alcohol consumption by anyone carrying a firearm.

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Read HB0962 at http://www.capitol.tn.gov

(Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


Or something like it...
#7 Apr 06 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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If we were to use your graph as evidence Tarv, it would mean we all need to be more like the Scots. Are you sure you want that on record?
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#8 Apr 06 2009 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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If we were to use your graph as evidence Tarv, it would mean we all need to be more like the Scots. Are you sure you want that on record?
Don't you like Haggis and deep fried Mars bars?

Heathen.
#9 Apr 06 2009 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Don't you like Haggis and deep fried Mars bars?

Heathen.
I've never had Haggis and am not sure I'd try it if you told me it was haggis beforehand and why would anyone deep fry a Mars bar?
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#10 Apr 06 2009 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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and why would anyone deep fry a Mars bar?
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#11 Apr 06 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
catwho the Pest wrote:

It seems to me that additional restrictions of gun laws are unnecessary. We just need to enforce the ones we already have. Any Joe the Plumber that looks remotely sane can walk into a public gun show, pay his $20 admission, see the latest ******* from the manufactures, plunk down cash and walk out armed to the teeth, all with no background check or anything more than a request for something vaguely resembling a gun permit.


While that may be true to a certain extent, it's almost never the case. Less than 2% of criminals with guns got them at gun shows. Make sure you get your facts right.
#12 Apr 06 2009 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Make sure you get your facts right.


I believe catwho was addressing the fact that it can even be done. Not the percentage of the guns purchased.
#13 Apr 06 2009 at 11:11 AM Rating: Default
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And they hunt real animals for real food, not just foxes and rabbits for sport.
I don't believe it. My family hunts and eats the deer, turkey, ducks. Still, they do it for sport.

It's cheaper to buy cow, pig, haddock or chicken meat in the grocery store than buy a hunting license, bullets, blaze orange gear and jack daniels and go hunt down dinner.

If they really need to hunt to survive they could trap, spear or bow hunt.

There is no reason for people to have guns - none.

Still there is no reason for us to have lots of the stuff we have - but we like stuff and it's our right. If a bad guy wants to get a gun to commit crimes, all the gun laws in the world aren't going to stop him. Gun laws need to protect people from them own stupid selves is all.

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#14 Apr 06 2009 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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Sure there is they have to protect themselves from that evil oppressive gubbenment, you know that one with all them darkies in it...
#15 Apr 06 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Sure there is they have to protect themselves from that evil oppressive gubbenment, you know that one with all them darkies in it...
Bowing darkies. They be teh debil.
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#16REDACTED, Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 11:20 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Elinda,
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#18 Apr 06 2009 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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hangtennow wrote:
Elinda,

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There is no reason for people to have guns - none.


I'm quite sure the victims of Va tech and every other massacre at the hands of some gun welding lunatic might disagree.

This is simply another instance where if just one sane person was armed many lifes could have been saved.
Meh, maybe they'd agree to stricter gun laws hoping for one less gun-welding lunatic.



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#20 Apr 06 2009 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Taking them out of the hands of responsible citizens allowing only criminals to possess them hardly seems like the answer.



How about showing us a responsible citizen with a gun?
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#22 Apr 06 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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How about showing me how allowing only criminals to have guns is going to solve anything?



No one said that but you.
#23 Apr 06 2009 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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How about showing us a responsible citizen with a gun?


My Husband's grandfather and uncle are avid hunters. Every fall, they hunt deer and then can the meat for the winter. I am told it is quite good. They keep their guns in a large gun safe and they never store the guns loaded. I would say they are responsible gun owners.
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#25 Apr 06 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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You realize most criminals that engage in gun violence obtained those weapons illegally aren't you?

Do the math.
Provide more details please. For all I know, those were stolen from law abiding citizens, which means if we reduced the number of guns law abiding citizens owned, we could therefore reduce the number of stolen weapons available to criminals.
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#26 Apr 06 2009 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
As Joph said, Japan's gun-ban (really, an extension of the sword-ban from the Meiji era) works out just fine for them. Only "criminals" in Japan have guns. And how many gun deaths were there in Japan each year? The opposite of the US: Lowest gun deaths, .05 per 10000 deaths, vs the US at the highest at 14.24.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166
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