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#127 Apr 03 2009 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kaelesh wrote:
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p.s. You would hate me even more if you knew how much I made annually. But now I can see why you hate "the wealthy".


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#128 Apr 03 2009 at 1:42 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not even saying that the carefully staged photo-op was "wrong" but let's not be so naive as to pretend that there was anything unintentional about the message it was designed to send to the country.


The message was not "Our soldiers will all be home by Christmas" though. That's the point. The message was "We just kicked some butt, and we'll continue to, so support what we're doing...".

I'm not saying there wasn't a planned message there. It's the ludicrous opposition spin that so many blindly repeat that I'm referring to.
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#129 Apr 03 2009 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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You would hate me even more if you knew how much I made annually. But now I can see why you hate "the wealthy".


I do know this. You're not "wealthy". You're not even "Tennessee Wealthy"
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#130 Apr 03 2009 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
The message was not "Our soldiers will all be home by Christmas" though. That's the point. The message was "We just kicked some butt, and we'll continue to, so support what we're doing...".
That's as stupid as "It'll be in the last place you look" Smiley: oyvey


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#131 Apr 03 2009 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
The message was not "Our soldiers will all be home by Christmas" though.
No, the message was "Major combat operations are over". They weren't. We continued to maintain nearly as many soldiers*, deploy the same heavy weaponry, get into firefights, lose men to death at the same (if not greater) pace as before, etc. "Major combat operations are over" was a meaningless phrase, as much an advertising slogan as "Mission Accomplished".

Saying that people were upset that everyone wasn't "home by Christmas" is a gross misrepresentation of what was going on. They were upset because, a year after Bush flew in in his jet fighter and said "Major combat operations have ended" in a staged photo-op in front of a banner bearing the advertising slogan: "Mission Accomplished", the number of American soldier deaths that month would be 200% what they were in May 2003. In May 2005, it would be 200% again. In May 2006, it would be nearly as many. In May 2007, significantly more.

That's why. Not because of some bullshit "home by Christmas" strawman.

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*Edit: I originally said "as many" which isn't true. On average, we have had ~7% fewer soldiers in Iraq since "major combat operations ended". At its lowest point, we had ~24% fewer. At its peak, we had 13% more. But we had 150k in May '03 and average ~140k between May '03 through summer of '08. Don't say I never corrected myself.

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#132 Apr 03 2009 at 11:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated.


Won't our faces be red if Obama finds them!
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#133 Apr 04 2009 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I still don't understand what the problem was with the gifts the Obamas gave Her Maj.

An iPod with video of her trip to the US included? A signed music book? There's nothing wrong with that at all.
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#134 Apr 04 2009 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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I still don't understand what the problem was with the gifts the Obamas gave Her Maj.

Because some people have an inane predilection for becoming distracted by the smallest of trivialities. Did you see what Mrs. Obama was wearing? Scandalous! Flag burning? For shame!
#135 Apr 04 2009 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I still don't understand what the problem was with the gifts the Obamas gave Her Maj.

Because some people have an inane predilection for becoming distracted by the smallest of trivialities. Did you see what Mrs. Obama was wearing? Scandalous! Flag burning? For shame!


She was wearing a burning flag? That's hot!
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#136 Apr 04 2009 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
I still don't understand what the problem was with the gifts the Obamas gave Her Maj.

An iPod with video of her trip to the US included? A signed music book? There's nothing wrong with that at all.


The signed music book by Richard Rogers was a great gift, I don't think anyone had a problem with that one. It'd have likely made a perfect gift by its own and no one would've taken notice. It's the addition of the iPod which set off alarms in terms of gift etiquette.

Amusingly enough, if Obama gave Gordon Brown the iPod, we wouldnt be talking about this right now.

It would be pretty funny if the 25 DVD set was Region 1 though.
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#138 Apr 06 2009 at 6:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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and now the news refuses to report on Iraq.
Buy a higher grade of newspaper.
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#139 Apr 06 2009 at 7:10 AM Rating: Decent
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And the Obama administration has stopped using the word terrorists to define our enemies in this war.


When did terrorists become a catch-all for brown people? There isn't even an international definition of terrorists.

I'm not saying that this is a problem but personally, I'm much happier that the Obama Administration chooses their words more carefully rather than throwing generic *** labels left over from the dumbest White House ever.
#140 Apr 06 2009 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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#142 Apr 06 2009 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Everyone knows the current administration makes W look like a rocket scientist.



By everyone, you mean "Varrus" and "Dittoheads."
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#144 Apr 06 2009 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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No, really, popularity polls don't even bear out what you are saying. It's YOU and other republicans that are waiting for our administration to fail so they can regain power. You'd call Democrats traitors for doing half as much. Really, you are just being unpatriotic if you want the country to fail for your own gain.
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#145 Apr 06 2009 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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By everyone I mean everyone who doesn't believe it's the job of the govn to spend trillions of dollars to fund socialist programs that are designed to destroy modern day capitalism by an unprecedented redistribution of wealth from the producers to people who don't.


And which programs are that?

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Unemployments at it's highest level in more than 20yrs. We can thank Obama for that.


Really? Obama? You're laying this sh*t on him? Without so much as a 'How do you do?' to the Bush Administration when unemployment then was the lowest in 20 years at the time?

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#148 Apr 06 2009 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Really? Obama? You're laying this sh*t on him? Without so much as a 'How do you do?' to the Bush Administration when unemployment then was the lowest in 20 years at the time?


And here I thought low unemployement was a good thing.

Yes I'm laying this on Obama and his "economic recovery plan". He was elected when? The second W was elected you sought to undermine his authority and de-legitamize his presidency labelling everyone stupid who didn't fall in with that mantra.

And W's administration liberated millions. So far all Obama's plan has done is set the groundwork to enslave millions through extreme taxation.


You mean by questioning the election results? That Gore won (popular election) in 2000?

Let's play it your way with Dubyah. 8 months after he was elected, September 11th occurred. According to your infallible logic, that should be more than enough time for the president to set a country right. If you honestly think Obama is in charge of this crisis, and you just said you were, you must believe that September 11th is a direct result of W's security plan. I mean, he was elected when?

As for Obama enslaving millions, well hey, Varrus' racism strikes again. You could always use a more appropriate (but still completely wrong) term, but instead choose "slavery." Good going, Varrus. And which groundwork is this? You're very vague; it's tough to give proper correction when I'm guessing even you have no idea about what you are writing.
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He was elected when?
A couple of months before he was allowed to sit in the big chair. That's how we do things in this country.
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#151 Apr 06 2009 at 10:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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What would you call a country that seeks to force it's citizens to work for the govn half the year?
Canada.
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