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#102REDACTED, Posted: Apr 02 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Obamas give crappy gifts...popularity wans...Obamas stage lovefest between queen and michelle...popularity sky rockets...
#103REDACTED, Posted: Apr 02 2009 at 12:03 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Assylumites racist commments today = 4
#104 Apr 02 2009 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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hangtennow wrote:
Obamas give crappy gifts...popularity wans...Obamas stage lovefest between queen and michelle...popularity sky rockets...


No politics involved there...nope none at all.

Well look at that. People love Barack Obama, and he didn't even need a national tragedy to accomplish it.
#105 Apr 02 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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Obamas give crappy gifts...popularity wans...Obamas stage lovefest between queen and michelle...popularity sky rockets...


No politics involved there...nope none at all.


Smiley: laugh

This is one of the funniest things I've seen you get upset about. Really.
#106REDACTED, Posted: Apr 02 2009 at 12:07 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#107 Apr 02 2009 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Tulip,

Who's upset? I think it's hillarious considering all of Obamas plans are going hurt people like yourself.


"Upset" probably wasn't the right word. Worked up over? Latch onto? You get my point, though. Of all the things to nit pick about... Smiley: laugh
#108 Apr 02 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Kael,

Enlighten me. Is there a difference?


You're the one that brought it up. Twice.
#109REDACTED, Posted: Apr 02 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Kael,
#110 Apr 02 2009 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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In January 2009, Bush said that "Clearly, putting 'Mission Accomplished' on an aircraft carrier was a mistake"


Opening of the "Mission Accomplished" speech wrote:
Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.
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I'm also not the one claiming W said, or implied, the war was over when he landed that fighter.
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#112 Apr 02 2009 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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I just made 4 of Varrus's posts go Unrated :D

Also, didn't Varrus once say he wanted to see Chicago blown up by terrorists?
#113 Apr 02 2009 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's this thing called class.

Being respectful and offering a gift shows the World you have class.

Expressing gratitude when receiving a gift shows the World you have class.

Totally missing the spirit of the act and insulting the gift or gift giver as somehow being unworthy shows the World that you're like school in July.
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#114 Apr 02 2009 at 1:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm also not the one claiming W said, or implied, the war was over when he landed that fighter.


I don't think he ever landed a fighter.
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#115 Apr 02 2009 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
He crashed a couple though!

Wait, that was McCain.
#116 Apr 02 2009 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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Also I like how none of you liberals are talking about Obama's massive tax on people making less than 200k annually. You know the new tobacco tax; and what percentage of people that smoke earn less than 200k annually?


I make 25K annually and I don't smoke.

Sucks to be you smokers! Smiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lol

Get your filthy ******* cancer sticks away from me and the air I breathe, or quit and give yourself a tax cut. Either way I win, and I don't pay any more taxes.
#117 Apr 02 2009 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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Also I like how none of you liberals are talking about Obama's massive tax on people making less than 200k annually. You know the new tobacco tax; and what percentage of people that smoke earn less than 200k annually?


Fair point, that is pretty much a tax on the poor.

Stopped clock twice a day, etc.

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In January 2009, Bush said that "Clearly, putting 'Mission Accomplished' on an aircraft carrier was a mistake"


Opening of the "Mission Accomplished" speech wrote:
Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.


Do you know what "Major Combat Operations" means?

The very next sentence:

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And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.


Farther down in the same speech:

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We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We're pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated.

We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools.

And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people.

The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.



You have to work really hard to get "all our soldiers will be home soon" out of this speech. Everything else is rhetoric. He clearly said that we are not done yet. Stop being a victim of an advertising slogan.
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#119 Apr 02 2009 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Stop being a victim of an advertising slogan.
That advertising slogan being "Mission Accomplished".

Anyone who thinks that it wasn't 100% orchestrated to have the press standing at the angle to ensure that Bush was photographed giving his "Major combat operations have ended" speech in front of the giant "Mission Accomplished" banner is a tool.

Regardless of which version of the banner creation story you want to go with, the simple fact is that the administration was more than happy to have Bush fly in in a jet fighter, come out as the Warrior-President and have the front page photos be him standing in front of a Mission Accomplished banner. One hundred percent worked up and planned ever so carefully for the public's consumption.

I'm not even saying that the carefully staged photo-op was "wrong" but let's not be so naive as to pretend that there was anything unintentional about the message it was designed to send to the country.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2009 10:35pm by Jophiel
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#120 Apr 02 2009 at 9:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Cut them off the govn t*t to begin with. Let me be clear i'm not talking about people who have mental disorders. I'm talking about people who can work but choose not to.


It's amazing that there are such a lot of people who seem to think that the total pool of people who "can work but choose not to" is a really large one.

And you know what? Nation states WOULD NOT FUNCTION without a small but real class of permanently unemployed people? Know why?

When Australia got down to 5% unemployment recently, before the global financial crisis, the Government quietly but publicly panicked. It warned that if there were no unemployed people, then businesses would stop being able to function. McDonald's employees could get $100 an hour wages... more... anything they liked... if there simply weren't any alternative people, and any more people to hire. Basically inflation goes through the stratosphere, and the whole country goes down the toilet if you DON'T HAVE MORE WORKERS THAN THERE ARE JOBS AVAILABLE FOR. It's a simple but real supply and demand thing.

If there are more workers than there are jobs available for, are you going to blame THEM for having no work? If they have no family who can afford to keep them, are you going to force them into crime to keep themselves alive? Charity doesn't cover them all, you know. Or do you expect them to lay down and die, against all screaming instinct? Do you expect them to start a business when they can't get the smallest of loans in their circumstance?

Not every person is suitable or acceptable to an employer for every open job position. And I'm not talking about not being acceptable because you are a druggie, thieving low-life scumbag.

People hire people who have qualifications for the job, who look like themselves and other people in the same business, who are from similar socio-economic/common interest strata to themselves and other people in the same business, who are good looking, who are taller than average, who are younger rather than older in most cases, who ALREADY have several years experience in the industry.

When employers get so unconsciously or consciously picky, what happens to the people who are willing to work, but are plainer, shorter, have a normal but different fashion sense, and haven't had a job before in that industry? They can fall off the end of the hiring list every time, until employers start getting suspicious because they've never had a job. Wonderfully competent and diligent older workers who get laid off in a recession or business belt-tightening can go decades looking for another position, because business likes to hire youth over experience.

Since capitalism will come to a grinding halt without a pool of long term or permanently unemployed people, since our economy demands a pool of more workers than there are jobs, then capitalism and the economy can damn well pay for them. Just enough to live on. Just enough to house, feed, clothe, transport, healthcare and moderately entertain these people who don't have jobs just so that everyone else doesn't have to pay $200 for a hamburger. Just enough to live on with a bit of dignity. And so they don't have to turn to crime.
#121 Apr 03 2009 at 4:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Strangely enough, I still managed to give away too much, without knowing what I spilled. Be more careful with cross pollination you!

Edited, Apr 3rd 2009 10:38am by Aripyanfar
#122 Apr 03 2009 at 4:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's because he knows fuck all and tries to pass it off as if he knows all.
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#123 Apr 03 2009 at 5:17 AM Rating: Good
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I can't believe you kept that up as long as you did, Ari. What a fruitless conversation.
#124 Apr 03 2009 at 6:12 AM Rating: Good
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It's because he knows **** all and tries to pass it off as if he knows all.


Yep, have a cookie.

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#126 Apr 03 2009 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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p.s. You would hate me even more if you knew how much I made annually. But now I can see why you hate "the wealthy".


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