Dear Diary,
My plan to erode Jophiel's faith bit by bit is coming along swimmingly. I can already see the seeds of doubt in his back. Soon they shall protrude in great wooden growths from his back. Yes... Just a little longer. Which approach to take next? Wait. I know.
Hey Jophiel, you know why they call Christians sheep? Because they're docile, stupid and their stomachs are a delicacy in Scotland.
Nailed him.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 6:38am by Kavekk
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Jophiel wrote:
I'd speculate that very few of those people will change their core beliefs by being called an idiot or a superstitious fool.
You already said that, I already agreed to it, and no one else has explicitely contested it. And yes I know someone has not been helping with this.
Jophiel wrote:
I doubt that Gbaji nor myself are really representative of most of the nation's population.
Not as facsimiles no, but I believe there are a fair number of people who are like a Rubik's cube that has had the stickers swapped. You can never get the colors in place without taking it apart to the core. If someone has learned arithmetic incorrectly, then he will never be able to work algebra, no matter how well you teach the concepts of algebra. Although I really don't like using analogies in these analogies in the sense that one side is incorrect, merely that some differences go deeper than what you can work with on the surface.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 1:43am by Allegory
Kavekk's looking really hard for some sort of acknowldgement so.... yes, we notice you.The thing I remember most about trying to take apart a Rubik's Cube is that, usually, you just wound up with a busted Cube that never quite worked how you wanted. Perhaps you should worry more about the large number of people who aren't in this situation instead of trying to dismantle everyone on the behalf of the ones who are.
Allegory wrote:
You can never get the colors in place without taking it apart to the core
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Who is this "we"? I knew there was a "we" that I was not a part of.
P.S. Are you an athiest yet?
P.S. Are you an athiest yet?
Jophiel wrote:
Perhaps you should worry more about the large number of people who aren't in this situation instead of trying to dismantle everyone on the behalf of the ones who are.
I don't think the balance is as uneven as you seem to, but it's not really a verifiable assertion.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 7:41am by Allegory
Kavekk wrote:
P.S. Are you an athiest yet?
Allegory wrote:
I don't think the balance is as uneven as you seem to, but it's not really a verifiable assertion.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Kavekk wrote:
Dear Diary,
My plan to erode Jophiel's faith bit by bit is coming along swimmingly. I can already see the seeds of doubt in his back. Soon they shall protrude in great wooden growths from his back. Yes... Just a little longer. Which approach to take next? Wait. I know.
Hey Jophiel, you know why they call Christians sheep? Because they're docile, stupid and their stomachs are a delicacy in Scotland.
Nailed him.
My plan to erode Jophiel's faith bit by bit is coming along swimmingly. I can already see the seeds of doubt in his back. Soon they shall protrude in great wooden growths from his back. Yes... Just a little longer. Which approach to take next? Wait. I know.
Hey Jophiel, you know why they call Christians sheep? Because they're docile, stupid and their stomachs are a delicacy in Scotland.
Nailed him.
Your overly inflated ego is obvious most always. But in this thread it's spewing noxious stuff that is making me gag.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Jophiel wrote:
This is the internet -- getting worried about angry athiests is like getting upset that you're surrounded by air.
sigged @paulsol, so you used the alternate definition rather then the first one. I rest my case
not to mention of course that faith in a religious context is significantly more complex then a definition.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 10:43am by Xsarus
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Anna and I have spoken about religion many times before, and it seems I am put into the same position every time. I say what is, or at least what I perceive to be, equivalent to "blacks are at a greater risk for heart disease," and she hears a negative comment about black people. I become the bigot from then on. Every harmful action supported by a religious group is excusable because those individuals don't represent the whole group, in fact they cannot represent any element or possible driver within the group. I would agree that religion can drive people to accomplish both the good and bad, but it seems many don't want to accept that religion can drive people to accomplish anything bad.
Allegory, you are being more than a little dishonest and for someone who is an atheist, you are sure good at nailing yourself on the cross.
I want balance. I personally blame human foibles on humans and not on some institution like religion that is somehow separate from the rest of humanity. But if you really want to blame institutions, you should also credit institutions with positive contributions.
For instance, if I say that the civil rights movement were originally organized out of black churches, thereby representing a positive contribution, you have said that it isn't,b/c it could exist outside a religious context. It didn't and maybe it couldn't but since you state randomly that it could, you accept that as the truth and evidence that religion had nothing to do with a church born and organized movement, mostly b/c it was positive.
If you say that the persecution of homosexuality exists b/c of religion and I say that it could exist out of a religious context, you fire back that atheism is a neutral value and therefore my point is invalid. So pretty much you put everything negative on religion without any balance and then bemoan that I don't blindly agree with your assessment that the function of religion is to spread badness.
That's pretty different than how you are representing yourself. However, I do enjoy getting under your skin. It's b/c you know I'm right.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 1:06pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Speaking of cross-nailings and being that it is Easter time at all, I thought I'd share this. It's a 360o viewing of the interior of the Piaristenkirche (some old church in Vienna). It's pretty cool. I made my April computer backdrop from a screenie I took of the marble sculpture of Jesus hanging on the cross.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Elinda wrote:
Speaking of cross-nailings and being that it is Easter time at all, I thought I'd share this. It's a 360o viewing of the interior of the Piaristenkirche (some old church in Vienna). It's pretty cool. I made my April computer backdrop from a screenie I took of the marble sculpture of Jesus hanging on the cross.
OoooooH! The little planet view (R.click select) on full screen is very trippy!!
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Jophiel wrote:
Nope, you only dragged me down halfway to agnostic.
You're a tough nut to crack, Jophiel, I'll give you that.
Elinda wrote:
I know this is done jokingly and all, but the biggest complaint most have about the faithful is their seemingly unending desire to 'push' their beliefs on others.
Yeah, that's the entire joke.
Elinda wrote:
Your overly inflated ego is obvious most always. But in this thread it's spewing noxious stuff that is making me gag.
I'd prefer it if you referred to it as my ego of superlative size.
All British people have big egos and a penchant for buggerygardening.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Kavekk wrote:
Elinda wrote:
I know this is done jokingly and all, but the biggest complaint most have about the faithful is their seemingly unending desire to 'push' their beliefs on others.
Yeah, that's the entire joke.
And the punchline is that this is something complained about far more often than it actually happens?
Honestly. Calculate the number of times in your entire life that some religious person has tried to "push their faith" on you? Aside from an occasional tract left by some Jehovah's Witnesses, I have never had this happen. How often is the "OMG! We've got to stop those evil religious folks from pushing their religion on us!" argument been pushed? Many many many times more often...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Nearly every single time I walk through woodruff park gbaji
That would be daily for about three years
It might help if you actually lived in the ******* bible belt
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 8:36pm by Pensive
That would be daily for about three years
It might help if you actually lived in the ******* bible belt
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 8:36pm by Pensive
Pensive wrote:
Nearly every single time I walk through woodruff park gbaji
That would be daily for about three years
That would be daily for about three years
I've had plenty of people push their religion on me. I grew up around so many fundamentalists--I'm a ***** person. I've also had atheists preach their point of view PLENTY. I am able to separate out things that **** me off from things that are beneficial about religion. Religious people are as diverse as anyone else. I love radical Nuns. I love Peace Churches. I love ***** friendly churches. There are so many great aspects of religion--I wouldn't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Edited, Apr 8th 2009 8:41pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Honestly. Calculate the number of times in your entire life that some religious person has tried to "push their faith" on you? Aside from an occasional tract left by some Jehovah's Witnesses, I have never had this happen.
You left out in person. You're bombarded with pro-faith media nearly constantly.
Largely because it sells, I imagine, I mean if your goal is to get suckers to spend money on something, faith is a no brainer place to start.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
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I've had plenty of people push their religion on me. I grew up around so many fundamentalists--I'm a ***** person. I've also had atheists preach their point of view PLENTY. I am able to separate out things that **** me off from things that are beneficial about religion. Religious people are as diverse as anyone else. I love radical Nuns. I love Peace Churches. I love ***** friendly churches. There are so many great aspects of religion--I wouldn't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Does this have something to do with what you were replying to?
I'm not in a good state of mind right now. It's not your fault, but I can't help but inject a tone of acid into anything that replies to me right now. Clarify please.
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And the punchline is that this is something complained about far more often than it actually happens?
Honestly. Calculate the number of times in your entire life that some religious person has tried to "push their faith" on you? Aside from an occasional tract left by some Jehovah's Witnesses, I have never had this happen. How often is the "OMG! We've got to stop those evil religious folks from pushing their religion on us!" argument been pushed? Many many many times more often...
Honestly. Calculate the number of times in your entire life that some religious person has tried to "push their faith" on you? Aside from an occasional tract left by some Jehovah's Witnesses, I have never had this happen. How often is the "OMG! We've got to stop those evil religious folks from pushing their religion on us!" argument been pushed? Many many many times more often...
No, how often it happens is iorrelevant to the joke, as it's a joke about perception and hypocrisy.
I recognise that you probably just wanted an opener and don't really care.
Smasharoo wrote:
Honestly. Calculate the number of times in your entire life that some religious person has tried to "push their faith" on you? Aside from an occasional tract left by some Jehovah's Witnesses, I have never had this happen.
You left out in person. You're bombarded with pro-faith media nearly constantly.
I wouldn't label that "pushing" faith on others Smash. Putting an ad on a billboard or on TV isn't "pushing", walking up to you and insisting that you need to be saved and then continuing to follow you for 4 blocks pestering you about it is "pushing".
I don't know where Pensive spends his time, but I have never in my entire life had someone do that. Not once. Ever.
I have, however, on many occasions witnessed people being pressured to renounce their faith, called names if they don't, etc. Heck. Let's just look at this forum. How many people of faith have ever argued that someone else on the board should accept Jesus into their lives or something? Ever? I can't recall it happening. Heck. The closest you can come is someone of faith talking about their faith and why they have it, but *not* insisting that others should, or that there's something wrong with them if they don't. Meanwhile, it's a common occurrence to have atheists argue why they are right and religious people are wrong, stupid, selfish, etc.
I'll agree that this board is by no means a microcosm of the rest of the world, but it's not that far off either. Again. I have never experienced someone actually insisting that there's something wrong with me if I don't believe in God. But I have had many many many people insist the opposite. Heck. Most of the time, just being agnostic isn't enough for them...
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Largely because it sells, I imagine, I mean if your goal is to get suckers to spend money on something, faith is a no brainer place to start.
Sure. Advertising. Great. I'm annoyed by Shamwow commercials too, but I would never say that the worst thing about retail is their constant need to push their products on us. And let's be honest, I'd wager every single person here has had Shamwow pushed on them more often and harder than anyone ever pushed religion on them (family excepted I suppose).
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
How often is the "OMG! We've got to stop those evil religious folks from pushing their religion on us!" argument been pushed? Many many many times more often...
Ludicrous. For the 13,000th time, let me point out that your personal anecdotal experience FUCKING STILL doesn't extrapolate to *anyone elses*.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Smasharoo wrote:
How often is the "OMG! We've got to stop those evil religious folks from pushing their religion on us!" argument been pushed? Many many many times more often...
Ludicrous. For the 13,000th time, let me point out that your personal anecdotal experience FUCKING STILL doesn't extrapolate to *anyone elses*.
I asked people to assess their own personal anecdotal experience Smash. That's like, totally different!
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Smasharoo wrote:
How often is the "OMG! We've got to stop those evil religious folks from pushing their religion on us!" argument been pushed? Many many many times more often...
Ludicrous. For the 13,000th time, let me point out that your personal anecdotal experience FUCKING STILL doesn't extrapolate to *anyone elses*.
There is plenty of tension among social justice issues between those who believe you should respect other people's systems of belief and one of the problems on the left is that avid secularists tend to demean other people's religious beliefs. It gets especially ****** up when you do mental health work with people and communities that are more religious and you constantly give yourselves strokes for your superior secular belief system. There is all sorts of colonizing, arrogance from the dominant secular culture and it gets in the way of some good social justice work.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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There is all sorts of colonizing, arrogance from the dominant secular culture
New England will forever be a place for colonization and arrogance.
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
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There is all sorts of colonizing, arrogance from the dominant secular culture
New England will forever be a place for colonization and arrogance.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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