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Pauly,

That's all you had to say.

p.s. I don't think anyone believes in an old white bearded guy living in the clouds pulling our strings.

You can tell by the way he looks at you all nailed to the cross & bleeding.

The guilt is so thick, it's palpable.

They vote left primarily on the basis of economic policy: raising minimum wage, progressive taxes, yadda yadda. However, on social policy ehtnic minorities tend to lean conservative.

That was my point. It shouldn't be a surprise to hear religious people voting democratic. The way the parties are split now, you're giving up something for something else, unless you are a "traditional".

That is why I'm an independent that is more likely to vote left than right, but not bound to the left. You should vote for what makes the most sense to you (assuming you have any sense >.>) as opposed to some random package deal.

The problem is, people will continuously vote for the lesser of the two evils, rendering it literally impossible for an Independent with mixture beliefs of ever winning certain political positions.

It's easy to make fun of the religious, it's also just as easy to make fun of Athiest that suffer the delusion that science has any answers concerning the ultimate origin of our Universe. Science utterly breaks down pre-singularity. Actually it breaks down before that. Singularity is just a place holder word for "we have no ******* clue".


With our limited comprehension it breaks down to either the Universe magically appeared out of nothing ( no more scientific than a "God" created it) or it always existed ( again, no more scientific than an immortal "God"). There are most probably other options, but we're far too stupid to think of them.


At this point discussion leaves the realm of science ( though still hiding behind scientific terms) and becomes nothing more than word play. String theory and Multiverses and such merely add a layer of abstraction. They still fail to answer ultimate origin. After these have been excluded, the most common cop out is the "pre-singularity there was no matter, energy or time, so nothing never existed".


They then may go on to "explain" that therefore, since there was never nothing, once there was something, that was everything and always. That still boils down to either something from nothing, or an infinite universe or some ******** amalgamation of both. Sorry, that's word play, not science and not an answer.


I'm not exactly religiously minded, but worshiping at the alter of the all knowing, infallible, all mighty science is just as silly.

I'll admit that worshipping science as infallible is silly, but I'll also point out that anyone who thinks science is infallible is missing the fundamental point of science. Any scientific principle can be proven wrong at any time by the introduction of conflicting evidence.



The issue with that is that the economic government would produce money, and the social issues government would then use that money on economically frivolous social programs. The economic government would naturally take action against social policies it felt were a waste of money and the social issues government would naturally take action against economic policies it feels are heartless.

Collegiality in government is a good idea, but there's no need to take it that far. It'd be more divisive than productive.

I suppose I should thank you ( I honestly wasn't aware of this field). I've read everything Sagan ever wrote and force my way through Hawking and other "not funny even when they try" folks, but never really looked outside that approach.


For now though, I'm cursing you and Google. Now 'll never get any sleep.

I've been arguing this point forever... no one seems to believe it's true.. oh well, good to see another person on the side of right.

I'd rather be silly than ******* insane.

Heh, heh, Didn't mean to imply that you did, was just relating that's what I'm doing. My communication skills are rather sad. Oh well, at least my Mom thinks I'm cute.

EDIT: Had "Moms".. plural.. wth?

Edited, Apr 6th 2009 9:39am by CoalHeart

Resistance is futile...


Note: I've been up for 2 days...everything is funny right now.

What can and can not be proven.. by Dr. Kant. Just don't sound right...

kk, getting silly.. going to bed.