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#1 Mar 30 2009 at 3:16 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm. I know this will invoke the gbaji-esque hand-wringing of the Pubbies, but it seems Obama is skating on thin ice.

As a pinko-liberal, I'm not paranoid about 'Big Government'; indeed, the welfare state here in Britainland has provided education, social care and healthcare for me and mine. But when the PoTUS starts intervening directly in Management decisions, I do scratch me bonce and wonder what he's playing at.

I am, of course, talking about his personal removal of Rick Wagoner as Chairman and CEO of GM.

Now if Mr Wagoner is a inkompitunt ***** it's reasonable that US tax payers should question him running a corporation that has enjoyed bajillionms of their hard-earned dollars. But to do it as an executive decision sounds naive from a political perspective.

Why not establish a cross-party panel or task-force and mandate it to take such decisions. If Wagoner's unfit, a Dem/Pubby panel would find it out. Same end result. Less scope for the right to accuse him of personal interference.

Or is this an example of a noble politician who's prepared to take decsisions and not hide behind politics?

Seems iffy to me.

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#2 Mar 30 2009 at 4:14 AM Rating: Excellent
Technically speaking, Mr. Wagoner resigned at the president's "request." Silly, you say, because everyone knows that when Big Barry O flashes those big brown eyes at you, there's just no saying no.

Personally, I think it's an effort by the administration to win populist support by playing sides. It's not a left-right thing in my opinion-- Republicans are just as keen as Democrats to **** on the notion of individual rights when it's politically expedient, but ******** on corporate rights is something of a new and startling contrast.
#3 Mar 30 2009 at 5:08 AM Rating: Good
I'm more concerned about the only financing Chrysler for another 30more days & GM for another 60.

(Unless they get their **** together)
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#4 Mar 30 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Meh. Industry insiders are saying it was long overdue.

Obama's task force seems to be sending a message that if you are begging for funding, you need to toe a line.

But no, I'm not particularly comfortable at this logical extension of the changes to the Executive branch begun in the last Administration.

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#5 Mar 30 2009 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't really bother me. The bailout money to the auto manufacturers was conditional, one of those conditions being the creation of a workable business plan for the future. Both GM & Chrysler failed to produce such a thing (in the eyes of the administration, anyway). The White House said "We can't work with this guy so you'll want to change him if we're to continue" and so out Wagoner went.

I've little issue with the money being conditional. It's like if you borrow $500 for rent from a friend and then he starts questioning your eating out and buying video games -- if you don't want your lender in your business, either don't borrow money or else pay it back so they don't have reason to be critiquing you. GM could have chose to refuse additional aid, keep their CEO and let the fates take them wherever. I wouldn't call this micro-managing either; Obama's talking about the head of a multi-billion dollar corporation which is requesting billions of dollars in government funds. He's not interviewing their receptionists or chosing which office plant rental firm they use.

Incidentally, the White House did the same thing with AIG. So this is nothing new.
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#6 Mar 30 2009 at 6:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Perhaps he's trying to counter-act some of the Big Government stuff going on here. Instead of forming a Committee on the Formation of Committee-Forming Committees he's taking matters into his own hands.

Not that I'm saying that it's necessarily right or wrong. Maybe there's more gray area to government between one all-powerful statesman, and a bajillion divisions and departments all impotently sharing miniscule amounts of authority.
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#7 Mar 30 2009 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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No problems here. Someone has to be responsible for GM's current state of affairs. I'm actually a little surprised that Obama didn't call for Rick's head earlier.
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#8 Mar 30 2009 at 6:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just wanted to add, this has in all likelihood happened before. The new guys are far more transparent than any Administration we've had in living memory. I believe we're getting a good look at how sausages are made, and it has the potential to limit Obama to a single term.

This is probably why most Presidents don't talk to us like adults.
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#9 Mar 30 2009 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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I'm just not sure what side of the fence to come down on here. I think this one act, asking for the removal of the CEO, is justified and even necessary. At the same time I thought the executive branch, under the Bush administration, was wielding too much unchecked power.

...see this is what happens when we the people become we the stockholders. We need another branch of government - the Board of Directors.
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#10 Mar 30 2009 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
I'm a little skeptical of this too, but I think Joph hit the nail on the head -- Obama didn't mess with a company that hadn't already asked to be messed with. It's not like he told Apple that Steve Jobs was sick and clearly not up to the task and had to go. GM as a company has been in trouble for the last 10 years, and it's reasonable to conclude that it's not going to get better while the same person that got it in trouble is leading it.

Perhaps GM's planned route to profitabily was of the same minimalistic roadmap as the Republican budget. Ideas are pretty on paper, but what we need right now are solid numbers.

#11 Mar 30 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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When I read the title, I was expecting a thread on job prospects between CnC Milling and a managetorial(sp?) positions.
#12 Mar 30 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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#13REDACTED, Posted: Mar 30 2009 at 12:06 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) This is chicago union politics at it's best. Obama is forcing these auto companies to capitulate to the demands of unions, which incidentally have completely f*cked the US auto industry.
#14 Mar 30 2009 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Interesting that you say so, because the main complaint is that GM had not done enough to curtail expenses, including health care and benefits packages. That doesn't sound like catering to unions to me.

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#15 Mar 30 2009 at 1:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Quiet, you.

I was listening to Rush today over lunch and he was saying that Obama was forcing GM to abide by the union demands. Therefore, to Varrus, Obama is forcing GM to abide by the union demands.

Rush also mentioned that no auto makers could prosper in the US due to CAFE standards so expect Varrus to bring that up next.

Edited, Mar 30th 2009 4:08pm by Jophiel
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#16REDACTED, Posted: Mar 30 2009 at 1:10 PM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Samy,
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Interesting that you say so, because the main complaint is that GM had not done enough to curtail expenses, including health care and benefits packages. That doesn't sound like catering to unions to me.


UAW is in a lose/lose here, regardless of who heads GM. All of the indicating towards a Fiat style restructuring of GM means Labor gets decimated.
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#19 Mar 30 2009 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah. It's really a matter of choosing serial scapegoats at this point.

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#20 Mar 30 2009 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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The result of merging the management division with the janitorial unit?

Managitors sign the pay-checks and clean the toilets. Huge cost savings.
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#21 Mar 31 2009 at 4:33 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but Smash, the UAW-- and the CEOs of their respective automobile companies --killed the goose that laid the golden eggs long ago, in the mid-60's I seem to recall. Oh, it seemed like a good idea at the time from their perspective, I'm sure. But quotas, early retirement pensions, health care until the grave, shoddy workmanship, institutionalized and purposeful early obsolesence of their product, and the car business in general selling to the American consumer vehicles without a view to the future (Hummers and SUVs for example). Add to that shareholders who got used to quarterly financials rather than yearly and the immediacy of profits NOW overrode any commonsense towards the long view.

This crisis is a long time in coming-- and I come from a family that hails from Detroit. While I am sympathetic to auto industry workers, their's is a legacy born from excess and greed 40+ years ago.

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#22 Mar 31 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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So, a lot like the military-industrial complex, then.

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#23REDACTED, Posted: Mar 31 2009 at 7:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#24 Mar 31 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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"The military" is a separate entity from "the military-industrial complex". But you knew that, right?

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#25REDACTED, Posted: Mar 31 2009 at 7:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#26 Mar 31 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Other nations manage it. Odd, that.

You know who coined the phrase "military-industrial complex" and first brought it up as a concern?

That raving liberal, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

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