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#1 Mar 25 2009 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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The Quiverfull is a Christian movement that eschews ALL forms of birth control, including abstinence and natural family planning. They believe that only god knows how many kids they should have.

Nancy Campbell, one of the movements founders, quotes:

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"The womb is such a powerful weapon; it's a weapon against the enemy," Campbell says.


This seems like a huge creepy step backwards for mankind. The whacky religious right is, admittedly, growing their own army of ignorant, self-righteous offspring to the detriment to all as we try to figure out how best to squish more people, comfortably, into this world.

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#2 Mar 25 2009 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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The redeeming part is how many of those kids are going to turn out to be total anarchist rebels.

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#3 Mar 25 2009 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fortunately the tighter they squeeze those children, the more they'll slip away.

I hope.

I've known a few people that grew up in super-religious/fundamentalist households, most of them threw off the shackles of their oppressive upbringing and are,outwardly at least, pretty normal people who don't base their every thought and action on the 6,000 year old scribblings of some nomadic desert people.
#4 Mar 25 2009 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
Someone listens to NPR.
#5 Mar 25 2009 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
I hope that most of their children are gay liberals. Smiley: nod

Helps overpopulation, and helps dampen the crazy.
#6 Mar 25 2009 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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The redeeming part is how many of those kids are going to turn out to be total anarchist rebels.


Amen.
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#7 Mar 25 2009 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
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The redeeming part is how many of those kids are going to turn out to be total anarchist rebels.


Amen.


Don't bring your hyperreligious "blessings" into it, you you you....

Oh, forget it, I can't be mad at you. Smiley: flowers

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#8 Mar 25 2009 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, forget it, I can't be mad at you. Smiley: flowers


God bless :)
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#9 Mar 25 2009 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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#10 Mar 25 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
Yeah I heard the story too on NPR this morning. But I've know about the Quiverfull nutters for a while now. Those of us in the CF community take potshots at them occasionally, but it's just too easy to pick on so they're not much fun to play with.

I'm sorry, ladies of Quiverfull. I am more than a walking uterus. When God said, "Be fruitful and multiply" he was talking to the imaginary animals and people from the imaginary creation of the world. NOT YOU.
#11 Mar 25 2009 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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In all honesty, I could care less, so long as the parents are willing and able to take care of their children. It's a slippery slope when you start defining how many kids are too many per family, if their basic and emotional needs can be met with no issues. It sure as hell is not for me. But I dont want anyone telling me how many kids I should or should not have if I am able to care for and love them.
#12 Mar 25 2009 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a slippery slope when you start defining how many kids are too many per family, if their basic and emotional needs can be met with no issues.
The QFer's do not define how many kids are too many - god does.

I'm not so sure that God is also willing to feed, cloth, educate, provide healthcare and shelter the babies. Eh, it's like an unfunded mandate from God.




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#13 Mar 25 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
No Child Left Unborn?
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What's most amusing about Quiverfull is that their most prominent family the Duggars actually have deviated from Quiverfull philosophy.

Quiverfull espouses leaving the number of children a family has in God's hands--which means you don't try to prevent pregnancy, but neither to you try to achieve it:

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Adherents view barrenness, referred to as an "empty quiver" by adherents, as something to be accepted from God if that is his choice, while also making it a matter of prayer in the belief that God may wish to miraculously intervene. Infertility treatments are seen as a usurpation of God's providence and accordingly rejected.


But the Duggars actually take steps to ensure that more children are conceived, such as limiting breastfeeding to only a few months so that lactational amenorrhea doesn't prevent pregnancy.

Apparently acknowledging that "God" took steps to space out childbearing by limiting the ability to conceive while feeding one's child the way "God" intended doesn't count as following "God's" plan. Who knew?

Now, personally I'm all for anyone having as many or as few children as they desire, but I would desperately love to inform that woman that her uterus is not, in fact, a clown car.

Edited, Mar 25th 2009 9:44am by Ambrya
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I honestly have no problems with big loving families. But the whole concept of Quiverfull raising an 'army as a weapon against the enemy' is kinda scary sh*t.

Who is their enemy?

Kao, is Allakhazam's ready for an attack from the Womb?

Edited, Mar 25th 2009 6:49pm by Elinda
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Elinda wrote:
I honestly have no problems with big loving families. But the whole concept of Quiverfull raising an 'army as a weapon against the enemy' is kinda scary sh*t.

Who is their enemy?
People who are not them.
#17 Mar 25 2009 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
Lady DSD wrote:
It's a slippery slope when you start defining how many kids are too many per family, if their basic and emotional needs can be met with no issues.
The QFer's do not define how many kids are too many - god does.

I'm not so sure that God is also willing to feed, cloth, educate, provide healthcare and shelter the babies. Eh, it's like an unfunded mandate from God.




Edited, Mar 25th 2009 6:34pm by Elinda


No shit. But unless they get to a point where they can not take care of their children, how is it your right to determine the proper amount of kids? It's not. 1 child may be too many for one family, and yet there are many families out there who can have and take care of more children than most of us could/would want to. But unless those families become a burden on society financially, it is a slippery slope to believe beyond a certain number of kids per family is too many.
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No ****. But unless they get to a point where they can not take care of their children, how is it your right to determine the proper amount of kids? It's not.


I don't think anyone is arguing that it IS. One can find something creepy and weird without calling for it to be banned or made illegal.

Well, liberals can, at least.

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#19 Mar 25 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Who is their enemy?

Kao, is Allakhazam's ready for an attack from the Womb...


...at. Womb@. WOMBAT! Smiley: wombat



I think I've just discovered the true menace here. Kao is using these fundies to raise his own army of killer wombats. The question now is, "Who is Kao's enemy?"
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No sh*t. But unless they get to a point where they can not take care of their children, how is it your right to determine the proper amount of kids? It's not.


I don't think anyone is arguing that it IS. One can find something creepy and weird without calling for it to be banned or made illegal.

Well, liberals can, at least.



Possibly. At the same time "mega families" have only gone out of sync in the last few decades. Prior to that it was considered the norm. Menial labor and all that. My grandfather was the second oldest of 17 kids, so I guess it's just never phased me as to the amount or it being creepy. It's only creepy IMHO when its a situation like octomom: continuing having babies to fill a hole without being able to financially support her kids. That's where I draw the line.
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Big families are not inherently weird. Having big families as part of God's own army? Yeah, that's getting there.

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Lady DSD wrote:
Samira wrote:
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No sh*t. But unless they get to a point where they can not take care of their children, how is it your right to determine the proper amount of kids? It's not.


I don't think anyone is arguing that it IS. One can find something creepy and weird without calling for it to be banned or made illegal.

Well, liberals can, at least.



Possibly. At the same time "mega families" have only gone out of sync in the last few decades. Prior to that it was considered the norm. Menial labor and all that. My grandfather was the second oldest of 17 kids, so I guess it's just never phased me as to the amount or it being creepy. It's only creepy IMHO when its a situation like octomom: continuing having babies to fill a hole without being able to financially support her kids. That's where I draw the line.


/nod

I come from a hugely extended family and when I first got married, I wanted to have at least 6 kids. We're at 3, and we've toyed with the idea of having another one when Charmaine got older, but we realized that financially, we could swing it, but we'd be sacrificing a lot of other things. So, Charmaine gets to remain as the baby and Ray will forever say "I wish we had another boy."
#23 Mar 25 2009 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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No shit. But unless they get to a point where they can not take care of their children, how is it your right to determine the proper amount of kids? It's not. 1 child may be too many for one family, and yet there are many families out there who can have and take care of more children than most of us could/would want to. But unless those families become a burden on society financially, it is a slippery slope to believe beyond a certain number of kids per family is too many.


I think the thread you are looking for is over there somewhere ---------------->

Edited, Mar 25th 2009 8:57pm by Elinda
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#24 Mar 25 2009 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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No. While I understand the OP factor is based mainly on a religious view, you stated
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This seems like a huge creepy step backwards for mankind
which you may have intended solely towards the religious aspect, but did not clarify it as such. I just read it as a more generic statement as written, hence my stance.

Either way, be it religious or no, and regardless of why people wish to have a very large family, my stance still holds. Sorry if you feel I am adding more depth to the discussion. If you can only hold one train of thought though I'll understand and keep it based completely on wacky religious families following their ideals. Smiley: nod

So to keep it one dimensional, yes the idea itself is a little odd. However, how is this different from other religious beliefs who follow the same ideals? It's most definitely not a new concept. And as the kids of these families grow up, I'd place some good cash on the idea that a lot will stray thus diminishing the ideals of their parents.
#25 Mar 25 2009 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
Eh, at least the Duggers had the right idea: Cash in on the fame and get HGTV to pay for a big house. So they CAN afford all those kids.

My take? There are too goddamn many people on the planet. 2-3 should be the max for any family not on a farm.
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