Virtue Media anti-abortion spielFollow

The doctors and family members involved got excommunicated by the church due to that.

Seems the church chose the wrong time to try and make an example of people who get abortions...

Gbaji is right. Dead right. You can forever bookmark this thread and cite this day as the day that I admitted that Gbaji was dead-on accurate.

Gbaji calling his ideas the ideas of "liberty, rights and equality" is very funny. Anyone who implied otherwise was wrong to do so.

For those of us who view the lumps of flesh of humanity that we are as merely a continuity, abortion isn't murder, it's pruning.

If you really believe in the eternal soul, abortion should be no problem. You're sending em back to Jesus that much faster.

No it was too an Admirality investigation board.

It's mission: How to stop the American's killin their own fUcking side, especially Brits and not so much the French...

I really hope you would say the same if he son was a raging anti-Semite. You would still be wrong, but at least you would be consistent.

This isn't a "you like chocolate, I like vanilla," situation. His son is supporting ideas which harm and kill people. He isn't trying to make his son just like him. He is trying to prevent his son from spreading more suffering in the world.

Do you understand why respecting others' beliefs isn't worth people's lives?

The extreme pro-life position says its okay to bomb abortion clinics since they are killing babies.

The extreme pro-life position says that a pregnant nine year old raped by her stepfather should deliver twins.

The extreme pro-life position frowns upon the use of condoms, since they prevent pregnancy, which spreads disease in third and first world countries alike.

So yes, being pro-life is actually being pro-murder.

Being extreme Pro-life would, being Anti-Abortion wouldn't. His Son only said he was Pro-life, not that he held an extremist view. That's actually my entire point. Folks are pulling assumptions out their asses and then giving him grief for beliefs we don't even know he has.

Absurdly exaggerated negative beliefs are being ascribed to this person. It really makes you wonder why. It isn't logical, it isn't sane and it sure as hell doesn't prove that the Father is correct and must save his Son.


Once you remove the absurdities, assumptions and the accusations, we're only left with two actual facts. The Son is Anti-Abortion, the Father isn't.

EDIT: I'm also working under the assumption ( yeah, we're all guilty) that the OP is an accurate transcription of what his Son wrote.




Edited, Mar 25th 2009 1:39am by CoalHeart

My counter would be that they probably believe that making Abortions illegal would change behavior. Sure, making something illegal isn't going to stop everyone, but you can't say it wouldn't stop some and change behaviors.


If abortions were illegal, do you honestly think folks would be as callous about sex as we are now? I'd bet folks would certainly be more cautious. Birth control wouldn't be an after-thought. If sex meant that you would potentially have to raise a child instead of getting a roto-rooter, there would be a lot less casual sex going on.


There's always the argument that folks would just keep having unprotected casual sex anyway, but I don't buy that for a second. We live in a cause and effect, action/reaction World. I'm a chain-smoker, but if every time I lit a cigarette, I got punched in the face by Mike Tyson, do you really think I'd keep smoking? He doesn't even have to actually ever be near me. Just the implied threat would be enough. Change the consequences and you'll change people's behavior.


Next we have the worst case "Back alley coat hanger" scenario. First, that represents one choice ( albeit a horrible one) amongst many. Another choice would be to ( Gasp) accept responsibility for her actions and actually raise the child. Or give it away for adoption, or maybe do everything she can to ensure she doesn't get pregnant and end up in this situation in the first place.

To proclaim that making casual abortions illegal would lead to millions upon millions of women being murdered by coat hangers doesn't strike me as sincere or even remotely grounded in reality.

I'll be honest. I'm not the best at arguing the Pro-Life position. Primarily because I'm not. I do however try to understand why someone can hold views that are foreign to my way of thinking. The Anti-abortion friends I know don't strike me as murderous wackos. They think killing anyone, even the unborn is wrong. They don't want to send women to the butchers, they want those women to either have the child or give it up for adoption. None that I know of are against abortions for medical reasons. They just find it currently "too easy".

Good point. Rambling at 3:00 A.M obviously isn't one of my strong points. I'll do my best. Thanks.

Yet you claimed that his/their beliefs were not naive. Backed yourself into a corner now, *****.



If you choose one choice over another, you are saying the one passed up was worse than the one you picked. ************.

Harsh? No. Mistaken? Yes.

We've been talking about religion for as long as he's known how to understand words. We haven't specifically talked about abortion.

I'm not telling him what to think. That would be stupid and a waste of my time. Since when does a kid do or think something because his parents say so?

On the other hand, he contacted me. He opened the subject. he told me what he thinks (and why). I think it's only right to see just how much he's thought it through and tell him that I don't see it the same (and why).

And yes (in reply to other posters), the quote in the OP is an exact quote. I did leave out the PS where he promised he doesn't advocate hurting anyone to defend unborn babies.

...and here I thought it was hot flashes.

My 19 year old got arrested for having a joint on him. I've since been trying to convince him that it's just easier not to break the law, develop bad habits, rely on dope for relaxation, socialization, etc, etc - then our state lawmakers present and really push for a bill to completely decriminalize possession of small quantities of dope.

My conclusions are similar to others

1. 19 year olds, if not plain dumb, are stubborn in what they'll think.
2. Parents are the last people that are worth listening to.
3. He's 19. He is an adult and has the right to think what he wants. Hell, what makes him any less correct in his beliefs/assumptions than you?
4. Sounds like his beliefs weren't something that developed overnight. I think this is a good time to quote the Bam Man:

4. Get him drunk. Buy him a hooker. Maybe do some hard drugs. After he's been evilized, broach the subject with him again, pointing out all the contradicitons.