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#1 Mar 24 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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Hmm, my 19 year old son actually sent this email to me and others recently. His mother and I have been divorced most of his life and they attended fundamentalist Christian churches. He is recently converted to Catholicism.

My son bought this crap hook line and sinker. He's bright despite appearances, on a full scholarship studying computer engineering, but naive. I've been trying to figure out how to respond in a way that might actually reach him. I'm at a loss.

I did find articles like "No Virginia, Abortion is not Genocide": http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_4_60/ai_63257723.

It might be worth simply presenting the counterarguments, but I don't want to come on so strong that he just tunes me out.

The anti-abortion groups like to say they don't want to prosecute women for murder, which just shows they don't take their own propaganda seriously.

I've considered starting by asking him what the solution is, if one wants to stop abortions, maybe get him to find the internal contradiction when he doesn't say ... "jail for women who get abortions"

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Virtue Media puts prolife ads on secular Television. It's been on MTV, BET, and many local networks across the country. Check out these ads (link at bottom of email) and spread them around.

11 million people died in the Holocaust.
50 million people die yearly all over the world to abortion.

It is clear that abortion is the worst genocide in human history. Do you want the blood on your hands? Do you want to approach the judgment seat of God with the blood of millions and millions of babies on your hands? The great prolife leader, Henry Hyde, said that he always thought that we'd be alone ... just us and God ... at the final judgment. But he said that those of us in the prolife movement would not be alone. That at our judgment, a chorus of beautiful voices never heard in our world would say to God on our behalf, "Spare them, for they loved us!"

Jesus said that what we do the least of His people, we do to Him. Who is the least if not those of whom our government and governments across the world permit the murder.

So I reiterate: Do you want the blood of millions per year on your hand? I certainly don't.

http://www.virtuemedia.org/television.htm
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/


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Edited, Mar 24th 2009 4:05pm by Ahkuraj
#2 Mar 24 2009 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Just abort him.
#3 Mar 24 2009 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ahkuraj wrote:
Hmm, my 19 year old son actually sent this email to me and others recently. His mother and I have been divorced most of his life and they attended fundamentalist Christian churches. He is recently converted to Catholicism.
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Jesus said that what we do the least of His people, we do to Him. Who is the least if not those of whom our government and governments across the world permit the murder.
Yeah, but the Church doesn't count 'em as "people" until they're baptized Smiley: wink2
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#4 Mar 24 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Default
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Ahkuraj wrote:
I've considered starting by asking him what the solution is, if one wants to stop abortions, maybe get him to find the internal contradiction when he doesn't say ... "jail for women who get abortions"


When he doesn't? Or when he does? Sounds like you've built up a strawman based on your own assumptions as to what he thinks.

I think asking him what he thinks is a great start. You might be surprised when his answer isn't what you expected. Of course. It might be, and then you can go from there. But standing around guessing probably isn't helpful at all...
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#5 Mar 24 2009 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
Also, he's 19. People think lots of stupid **** at 19.

It's if he's 38 and still thinks lots of stupid ****, like gbaji, that you should start worrying about it.

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#6 Mar 24 2009 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Let your son believe what he wants.
#7gbaji, Posted: Mar 24 2009 at 12:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes. Because people who don't care about liberty, rights, and equality will tend to label them "stupid shit".
#8 Mar 24 2009 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Let your son believe what he wants


This is funny. However, this is the Asylum. You don't even let complete strangers believe what they want, why should I ignore my own son's foolishness?

In the end, he will believe what he wants. Virtue Media didn't let him believe what he wants. I don't see anything wrong with presenting opposing views.
#9 Mar 24 2009 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I think asking him what he thinks is a great start. You might be surprised when his answer isn't what you expected. Of course. It might be, and then you can go from there. But standing around guessing probably isn't helpful at all...


Good point.
#10 Mar 24 2009 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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Yes. Because people who don't care about liberty, rights, and equality will tend to label them "stupid ****".


Holy crap. Can you not take a light hearted jab? Glass jaw Gbaji.
#11 Mar 24 2009 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes. Because people who don't care about liberty, rights, and equality will tend to label them "stupid sh*t".


Holy crap. Can you not take a light hearted jab? Glass jaw Gbaji.


He does seem a little sensitive this week.
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#12 Mar 24 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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He does seem a little sensitive this week.


Obviously Planned Parenthood came by and aborted his kitten.
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Yes. Because people who don't care about liberty, rights, and equality will tend to label them "stupid sh*t".


Holy crap. Can you not take a light hearted jab? Glass jaw Gbaji.


I sent an equally light hearted jab back. Can't stand the heat...
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#14 Mar 24 2009 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your son doesn't know what "genocide" means. To be more accurate, he could call it prolicide, fetecide, filicide, homicide, or murder.

#15 Mar 24 2009 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I sent an equally light hearted jab back. Can't stand the heat...


If you consider your retort as a good jab in response to a personal assault ... were you home schooled through middle school or did you just ride the short bus?

Edited, Mar 24th 2009 3:12pm by baelnic
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#17 Mar 24 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
baelnic wrote:
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I sent an equally light hearted jab back. Can't stand the heat...


If you consider your retort as a good jab in response to a personal assault ... were you home schooled through middle school or did you just ride the short bus?

Edited, Mar 24th 2009 3:12pm by baelnic


Please stop it, I can't take the heat.

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#18 Mar 24 2009 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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If you consider your retort as a good jab in response to a personal assault ... were you home schooled through middle school or did you just ride the short bus?
No he was brought up in the Asylum, want nicey nicey? fUck off and play in the sandpit, If I want to call gbaji a sourface dickweed with the IQ of a lobotomised cocker spaniel, then I will and he is old enough and ugly enough to defend himself and old school enough not to take offence.

Clearly you have no fUcking idea about what it takes to post in here so kindly FUck off on that short bus you clearly have intimate knowledge off.
#19 Mar 24 2009 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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If you consider your retort as a good jab in response to a personal assault ... were you home schooled through middle school or did you just ride the short bus?
No he was brought up in the Asylum, want nicey nicey? fUck off and play in the sandpit, If I want to call gbaji a sourface dickweed with the IQ of a lobotomised cocker spaniel, then I will and he is old enough and ugly enough to defend himself and old school enough not to take offence.

Clearly you have no fUcking idea about what it takes to post in here so kindly FUck off on that short bus you clearly have intimate knowledge off.


Dude, I son't wanna get involved cos I can't take the heat, but I think baelnic has been around for, like, ages.

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#20 Mar 24 2009 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Dude, I son't wanna get involved cos I can't take the heat, but I think baelnic has been around for, like, ages.
Then he need to be sent of a refresher course in Asylum 101 or GTFO.
#21 Mar 24 2009 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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No he was brought up in the Asylum, want nicey nicey? **** off and play in the sandpit, If I want to call gbaji a sourface ******** with the IQ of a lobotomised cocker spaniel, then I will and he is old enough and ugly enough to defend himself and old school enough not to take offence.

Clearly you have no ******* idea about what it takes to post in here so kindly **** off on that short bus you clearly have intimate knowledge off.


Wasn't my fault you went to my neighborhood looking for dates in the ice cream truck. Shame on you for preying on retards.
#22 Mar 24 2009 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ask him if he thinks this 9-year old girl should be forced to tear her body apart to birth twins after she was raped by her stepfather.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/world/americas/05briefs-9YEAROLDSABO_BRF.html?em

#23 Mar 24 2009 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Wasn't my fault you went to my neighborhood looking for dates in the ice cream truck.
If I want dried fruit I go to a supermarket not an ice cream truck.
#24 Mar 24 2009 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahkuraj wrote:
Hmm, my 19 year old son actually sent this email to me and others recently. His mother and I have been divorced most of his life and they attended fundamentalist Christian churches. He is recently converted to Catholicism.


Fu'cking hell, man. He's been hanging around in religeous brainwashing centres for his whole life being told stuff like

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Henry Hyde, said that he always thought that we'd be alone ... just us and God ... at the final judgment. But he said that those of us in the prolife movement would not be alone. That at our judgment, a chorus of beautiful voices never heard in our world would say to God on our behalf, "Spare them, for they loved us!"


And now you're worried that he's got some twisted views on reality!!!

I'd say you're a bit overdue in your 'concerns'.

Didn't it occur to you to spend some time explaining to him that there isn't an old bearded man in the sky watching his every move, and therefore what those idiots at the churches are saying 'in his name' has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to think for himself?

Sorry to be harsh, but really.......Smiley: disappointed
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#25gbaji, Posted: Mar 24 2009 at 1:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hehehe...
#26 Mar 24 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Hehehe...

You see what I did there with the "equally light hearted" bit? I'm a freaking genius! ;)


Sigh. I was just hoping for once you'd be funny. You're a really awful heel. Thank god Totem is back.
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