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#1 Mar 21 2009 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good

**spoiler alert.**


Question for you:

Do you believe that if you are distributing a Christian propaganda film that the advertising should at least give some hint of this fact?

By the end of KNOWING I had a mild concussion from being hit in the head so often and so hard by the Christian slant, the distaste of which was rivaled only by the taste of vomit in my mouth from the acting which resembled a after-school Christian special.

"Dad, why are they saying this? They say only the chosen ones can come!"
"Don't worry, Son, we'll be together forever. I understand this now!"

At any rate, if you decide to pay for this go into it with your eyes open.

-DK



#2 Mar 21 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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While a appreciate the heads-up on the content of the film, I'm shocked that you would go into a Nick Cage movie expecting to see acting that was even on par with a middle-school drama club performance.
#3 Mar 21 2009 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
Touche.

But he wasn't the only one.

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#4 Mar 21 2009 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
Didn't he all ready play this character in Next?
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#5 Mar 21 2009 at 10:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm shocked that you would go into a Nick Cage movie expecting to see acting that was even on par with a middle-school drama club performance.



Yeah, he isn't the best actor out there, he's actually quite bad. He was good in Bringing Out The Dead though.
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#6 Mar 21 2009 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sad that this might be a film with a message that I'm not gonna be really happy about.

I pretty much rely on Nick Cage films to be gloriously thoughtless action movies. No acting required. I haven't seen that Vegas film he did, heard some good things of it, but haven't gotten round to it.
#7 Mar 22 2009 at 3:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
I haven't seen that Vegas film he did, heard some good things of it, but haven't gotten round to it.


It's fairly depressing actually. Elisabeth Shue being naked all the time helps out with that a bit though.

Also, clicking here might be a good idea if you want to know what the OP is talking about.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2009 7:13am by TurinAlexander
#8 Mar 22 2009 at 3:06 AM Rating: Good
Nicolas Cage will stop appearing in shitty movies if you stop going to see them.
#9 Mar 22 2009 at 3:31 AM Rating: Good
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I saw the trailer to Knowing a couple nights ago. It looked OK, but what REALLY excited me most was the trailer for the new Star Trek movie. Looks like a movie, a BIG movie, instead of a TV show put on the big screen. I'm up for it. And Sylar makes a damn sexy young Vulcan.

Also, the next Terminator is looking tasty too.
#10 Mar 23 2009 at 3:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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I watched Knowing and Last House on the Left last night, I enjoyed them both.
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#11 Mar 23 2009 at 8:18 AM Rating: Default
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Aripyanfar wrote:
I saw the trailer to Knowing a couple nights ago. It looked OK, but what REALLY excited me most was the trailer for the new Star Trek movie. Looks like a movie, a BIG movie, instead of a TV show put on the big screen. I'm up for it. And Sylar makes a damn sexy young Vulcan.

Also, the next Terminator is looking tasty too.



Sorry. Star Trek and Sex just don't mix. A few innuendos between that Riker guy and Counselor Troi is about as close as you come.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 12:20pm by bubspeed
#12 Mar 23 2009 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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bubspeed wrote:
Sorry. Star Trek and Sex just don't mix.


That's not true, I'm pretty sure Captain Kirk made it with about every female alien he encountered.
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#13 Mar 23 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
bubspeed wrote:
Sorry. Star Trek and Sex just don't mix.


That's not true, I'm pretty sure Captain Kirk made it with about every female alien he encountered.


Your right. Perhaps I should have worded it like this:

"Star Trek and Sex with Humans just don't mix!"
#14 Mar 23 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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bubspeed wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I saw the trailer to Knowing a couple nights ago. It looked OK, but what REALLY excited me most was the trailer for the new Star Trek movie. Looks like a movie, a BIG movie, instead of a TV show put on the big screen. I'm up for it. And Sylar makes a damn sexy young Vulcan.

Also, the next Terminator is looking tasty too.



Sorry. Star Trek and Sex just don't mix. A few innuendos between that Riker guy and Counselor Troi is about as close as you come.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 12:20pm by bubspeed


You've clearly never seen the original series.
#15 Mar 23 2009 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
Then we had Paris and Torres in Voyager . . . them getting caught half naked in Engineering and getting a stern lecture from an obviously annoyed captain Janeway is what booted the series from "okay" to "pretty darn funny" overall.

Actually, it counts as sex with aliens since she was half-Klingon. Smiley: nod
#16 Mar 23 2009 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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TurinAlexander wrote:
bubspeed wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I saw the trailer to Knowing a couple nights ago. It looked OK, but what REALLY excited me most was the trailer for the new Star Trek movie. Looks like a movie, a BIG movie, instead of a TV show put on the big screen. I'm up for it. And Sylar makes a damn sexy young Vulcan.

Also, the next Terminator is looking tasty too.



Sorry. Star Trek and Sex just don't mix. A few innuendos between that Riker guy and Counselor Troi is about as close as you come.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 12:20pm by bubspeed


You've clearly never seen the original series.



I was more of a Next Generation fan...
#17 Mar 23 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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At any rate, if you decide to pay for this go into it with your eyes open.


That usually helps with watching a movie
#18 Mar 23 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I haven't seen the film, but I'm going to say this anyway.

Examining the idea of a supreme being is not the same as "pushing Christian propaganda." Now, maybe this movie does that; but nothing in the OP or the review led me to believe so.

I think we're getting into knee jerk territory with the whole anti-religious bandwagon. If anyone mentions God, or faith, or church they're assumed to be pushing a fundamentalist agenda; and the fact is, not all of them are.

It's okay to talk about ideas, and to question assumptions.

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#19 Mar 23 2009 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I think we're getting into knee jerk territory with the whole anti-religious bandwagon. If anyone mentions God, or faith, or church they're assumed to be pushing a fundamentalist agenda; and the fact is, not all of them are.


Stop pushing your fundamentalist agenda on me. I don't go around telling you God doesn't exist, now do i?
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#20 Mar 23 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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TurinAlexander wrote:
bubspeed wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I saw the trailer to Knowing a couple nights ago. It looked OK, but what REALLY excited me most was the trailer for the new Star Trek movie. Looks like a movie, a BIG movie, instead of a TV show put on the big screen. I'm up for it. And Sylar makes a damn sexy young Vulcan.

Also, the next Terminator is looking tasty too.



Sorry. Star Trek and Sex just don't mix. A few innuendos between that Riker guy and Counselor Troi is about as close as you come.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 12:20pm by bubspeed


You've clearly never seen the original series.

As far as I could tell from the trailer, it was all more of a Spock/Captain Kirk simmering sexual tension thing going on, anyway.

They certainly had some make-up sex to be doing. Kirk was really getting through that Vulcan emotional tranquility.
#21 Mar 23 2009 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Star Trek and sex don't mix? Huh? Even the android got his piston lubed.
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#22 Mar 23 2009 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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Examining the idea of a supreme being is not the same as "pushing Christian propaganda." Now, maybe this movie does that; but nothing in the OP or the review led me to believe so.


Samira--

**again, spoiler alert**

This wasn't merely examining the question of a supreme being. The first 2/3rd of the film was what you would expect from the trailer: a suspense film dealing with a crazy kid who predicted the major tragedies in the subsequent 50 years. The only hint of christianity was a minute of subplot dealing with the fact Cage had lost his faith due to the death of his wife leading to a subsequent distance with his pastor father.

The last 1/3rd of the film was basically the story of the rapture. I can't adequately explain without a gbaji-esque length post but here is the gist:
Nic finds out the Earth is going to be destroyed. He phones his father (the pastor) to warn him but his father refuses to seek refuge. "I'm going to be saved, are you?", he notes. Nic's son and the son's friend are 'chosen' to be saved from the destruction of Earth along with many other 'chosen' people. The beings who save Nic's son (and everyone else) are all-powerful beings with long, wispy wings and who can (obviously) foretell the future. Because of Nic's unbelieving ways he isn't saved with his son. (hence, my quote in OP--"they say only the chosen can come" "That's all right, I understand now!") The kids witness the gruesome death of one mother but note to Nic, "It's OK, they say we are going to be together in future".
The film ends with two images. One is nic's son and his female friend, dressed in white robes and bathed in heavenly light, running through a pristine wheat field toward what obviously represents the tree of life. (Believe me, it's obvious) The other is Nic striding back to be with his father since he believes now. He walks through New York which is filled with pillaging and looting but he calmly walks to his father's house where he, his father and his Christian sister (known from earlier in the film) hugging while the Earth is destroyed in fire.
Just in case you missed all the connotations, as Nic is walking through the soon to be destroyed New York he passes a large billboard which reads something along the lines of, "Jesus saves".

Again, I have nothing against Christianity. But I'd prefer to have some warning about this before I plunk down the money to see the story of the rapture in a theatre.

--DK



#23 Mar 24 2009 at 5:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dunno, sounds like a reasonable retelling of the mythology to me.

I suppose I'm just not threatened by others' beliefs, and I am interested in the mythos, so I welcome the stories. /shrug

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#24 Mar 24 2009 at 5:26 AM Rating: Good
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So the moral of the story is that it's not worth believing in Jesus until he actually appears at the apocalypse? Sweet.

#25 Mar 24 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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trickybeck wrote:

So the moral of the story is that it's not worth believing in Jesus until he actually appears at the apocalypse? Sweet.
That's not what we were doing all along?
#26 Mar 24 2009 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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Dunno, sounds like a reasonable retelling of the mythology to me.

I suppose I'm just not threatened by others' beliefs, and I am interested in the mythos, so I welcome the stories. /shrug
This pretty much sums up my feelings. I'd like to add though, having not seen the movie but read the review linked, are you sure it's Christianity and not Scientology that it's using as a mythos? That could just be the language used by the reviewer though.
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