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#27 Mar 22 2009 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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I've never drunk and driven. Mostly, I still remember having to be in the car when I was a little kid and my dad was wasted. He'd be driving in the ditch. I think b/c of that, I'll never drive while drinking, even if I barely feel it.
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#28 Mar 22 2009 at 9:10 PM Rating: Default
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I've done it, and I'm not proud of it. I've never driven more than the 2-3 miles from the bar to my house, though. And I seem to have the uncanny ability to know when I'm seriously done, and tend to black out immediately AFTER I arrive home. I've never driven blacked out, thank god. If I've ever gotten to that point at a bar, someone would have HAD to drag my *** home, because I'm just not functional.
#29 Mar 23 2009 at 5:50 AM Rating: Decent
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OP; you are not a prude... you are witnessing common alcoholic behavior.

People minimize &/or justify behavior while drunk because they have allready
decided that being able to continue drinking is more important than honestly considering the consequences.

This may be just an "Episode" or it could be the start of a long downward spiral for your friend.

Contrary to popular commercial stereotypes a large portion of society
doesnt drink AT ALL. EVER. Another large segment stops drinking as soon as they feel a "little typsy".

The portion that regularly drink "for effect" help convince each other that there is nothing "wrong" with it.
#30 Mar 23 2009 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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OP; you are not a prude... you are witnessing common alcoholic behavior.

People minimize &/or justify behavior while drunk because they have allready
decided that being able to continue drinking is more important than honestly considering the consequences.

This may be just an "Episode" or it could be the start of a long downward spiral for your friend.

Contrary to popular commercial stereotypes a large portion of society
doesnt drink AT ALL. EVER. Another large segment stops drinking as soon as they feel a "little typsy".

The portion that regularly drink "for effect" help convince each other that there is nothing "wrong" with it.


Prude.
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#32 Mar 23 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Default
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I'm generally a pretty good judge of my limits, and I avoid drinking sufficient alcohol to make me intoxicated if I have to drive home. I've certainly never crashed or sideswiped something with my car. Only one time did I get in the car, get onto the freeway, and about a mile or two down the way realize that I was right on the border of being too buzzed to safely drive.

The trick is to pay attention to how much you are drinking. Some people can do this. Some can't. If you're one of those people who can't, then you should probably just always arrange transportation from anywhere you're going to drink.
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#33 Mar 23 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I'm generally a pretty good judge of my limits

Anyone who says so doesn't realize that they really aren't.
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gbaji wrote:
I'm generally a pretty good judge of my limits, and I avoid drinking sufficient alcohol to make me intoxicated if I have to drive home. I've certainly never crashed or sideswiped something with my car. Only one time did I get in the car, get onto the freeway, and about a mile or two down the way realize that I was right on the border of being too buzzed to safely drive.

The trick is to pay attention to how much you are drinking. Some people can do this. Some can't. If you're one of those people who can't, then you should probably just always arrange transportation from anywhere you're going to drink.
Or on the other hadnd, you could just decide to not drive if you've consumed alcohol Smiley: oyvey

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I'm generally a pretty good judge of my limits
This is a clue.

Most of the drivers/victims/bereaved parents I've counselled in the ER refer to de judgement about fitness to drive made while under the affluence of incohol.

FUcking idiot.
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#35 Mar 23 2009 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Or on the other hadnd, you could just decide to not drive if you've consumed alcohol


So, if I have a glass of wine/beer with dinner I shouldn't drive home? Three drinks while spending an evening playing cards means I shouldn't drive?

When I said I'm a good judge of my limits, I didn't mean that after an evening of drinking, I stand there and think "I'm ok to drive" and head off. I meant that I know how many drinks of what type I can consume during an evening consisting of X hours, and therefore know not to drink more than that. I know my limits and adhere to them while drinking, so that I'm never in danger of having to figure it out after the fact.

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I'm generally a pretty good judge of my limits
This is a clue.

Most of the drivers/victims/bereaved parents I've counselled in the ER refer to de judgement about fitness to drive made while under the affluence of incohol.


Again. I meant prior to drinking, not afterwards.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 5:18pm by gbaji
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#36 Mar 23 2009 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:

When I said I'm a good judge of my limits, I didn't mean that after an evening of drinking, I stand there and think "I'm ok to drive" and head off. I meant that I know how many drinks of what type I can consume during an evening consisting of X hours, and therefore know not to drink more than that. I know my limits and adhere to them while drinking, so that I'm never in danger of having to figure it out after the fact.


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#37 Mar 23 2009 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Again. I meant prior to drinking, not afterwards.
But you've come to this conclusion based on how you've felt after drinking in the past. The fact that you're using this information afterwards doesn't matter.

The other issue is that if you're saying at so many drinks I'm still safe to drive, you can easily say, well I'll have one more drink, it won't make a difference. Your own story illustrates this. This is not having a glass of wine or beer with a meal, but if you're playing cards, or hanging out, then it will be very easy to just have that one extra drink.
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#38 Mar 23 2009 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Again. I meant prior to drinking, not afterwards.
But you've come to this conclusion based on how you've felt after drinking in the past. The fact that you're using this information afterwards doesn't matter.


By that argument, no one should ever drive at all. Cause apparently, no one's capable of ever detecting if their own head is clear or not.

A slightly buzzed person knows they are slightly buzzed. A dizzy drunk thinks he's only slightly buzzed. Neither of them thinks they are completely sober.

A guy who's had one drink over the course of an hour and a half meal knows he's sober. Not because he's too drunk to know, but because he's exactly as sober as if he hadn't been drinking at all. That's the point you should always be at before you get behind the wheel of a car, and it's not rocket science to figure out how to do this.

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The other issue is that if you're saying at so many drinks I'm still safe to drive, you can easily say, well I'll have one more drink, it won't make a difference.


Sure. And I could decide that taking three shot of whiskey right before putting the key into the ignition wont make a difference either. Some of us have a bit more self control than others apparently.

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Your own story illustrates this.


The one where I related the *one* time I realized after driving halfway home that I had a slight buzz? Would it help to explain that this was nearly 20 years ago? See, you learn things over time. It's an amazing concept, I know...


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This is not having a glass of wine or beer with a meal, but if you're playing cards, or hanging out, then it will be very easy to just have that one extra drink.


No. It really isn't. I drink at a set rate. I stop drinking about an hour before I'm going to head out. When you're young, you tend to drink to get as drunk as possible as fast as possible, and then hope you're sober when you need to leave. As you get older, most people (responsible people anyway) learn that if you drink more slowly and at a set rate, you can maintain a nice buzz, not get out of control, and always return to normal in a relatively short time period after you stop drinking. It's also much much easier to not take that extra drink if you aren't falling down drunk in the first place.


You're assuming irresponsibility on my part in order to accuse me of being irresponsible. Trust me. That's not the case.
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#39 Mar 23 2009 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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Usually I'm surprised at this level of self delusion, but then I've been reading this board for a while.
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Usually I'm surprised at this level of self delusion, but then I've been reading this board for a while.


That it's possible to drink responsibly? Seriously?
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#41 Mar 23 2009 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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Does drinking one or two beers with a meal count as drunk driving? (Of course not legally, but this question in general.)

Are we going zero tolerance here?
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#42 Mar 23 2009 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Anything more than one drink is probably too much... maybe two.

Who knows with gbaji, maybe he really does count his drinks and measure out the time his liver has been working. I know that I'd just prefer to have a place to crash if I'm going to drink.

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That it's possible to drink responsibly? Seriously?


It's possible that you're sincere, but your speech sounds exceedingly similar to every other person who deludes themselves into driving drunk. The reactions you are getting are reactions to what you are probably doing when you drink, not what you may, possibly, be doing.

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I was always under the impression that the rule was 1 drink gets out of your system in about 1 hour. I really don't care myself; like I said, I always want to have a place to crash without having to drive.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 9:57pm by Pensive
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Pensive wrote:
Anything more than one drink is probably too much... maybe two.

Who knows with gbaji, maybe he really does count his drinks and measure out the time his liver has been working. I know that I'd just prefer to have a place to crash if I'm going to drink.


I suspect it really is an age/experience thing. The very fact that you associate "going to drink" with needing a "place to crash" highlights what I'm talking about. Younger people tend to drink to get drunk. As you get older, you drink socially, but don't get "drunk".

I've done the drunken party thing. I don't need to do that every single time I'm sitting down with a drink in my hand. As you get older, you'll realize this too.

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That it's possible to drink responsibly? Seriously?


It's possible that you're sincere, but your speech sounds exceedingly similar to every other person who deludes themselves into driving drunk.


Every other person in their 20s.

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The reactions you are getting are reactions to what you are probably doing when you drink, not what you may, possibly, be doing.


Nah. Their reactions are to what they'd assume one of their friends was doing if they told them that, or perhaps what some anti-drinking commercial told them to automatically associate with that language.

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I was always under the impression that the rule was 1 drink gets out of your system in about 1 hour. I really don't care myself; like I said, I always want to have a place to crash without having to drive.


Yes. That is more or less the rule. And the reason you don't care is because you are still young enough, and drinking is still new enough to you, that you drink to get drunk every time you drink. Thus, you know that if you're drinking you probably wont be able to drive home.

You're assuming I drink the same way. I don't. I certainly do get drunk. But if I'm doing that, I've already arranged to either stay where I'm drinking, or get a ride home.

I think the difference is that the vast vast majority of times I'm drinking, I'm *not* getting drunk. Something that maybe you just don't get yet. Someday you will though...
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When I was 12, my Dad's car with all of us kids and my mom inside was rear ended by a Drunk driver by the name of James Rotuna. We were doing the speed limit of about 60MPH. He hit us from behind going at least 75, hard enough to spin our car around and shatter the rear window and crumple the back end of the car but good. He then fled the scene of the accident.

I have absolutly zero tolerance for drunk driving. There is no excuse whatsoever. If you are drunk whilst driving, you are a ******* tool and it should be legal for anyone to end your life at will before you kill some innocent bystanders. It isn't a "youthful indiscretion". Just because nothing happened that time, that does not mean it was ok.

There is no excuse. Whimsi, whoever you are debating with is a ******* tool and you should kick their ***.
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#46 Mar 23 2009 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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You're assuming I drink the same way.


I didn't assume anything about you chief; I was explaining to you why people were reacting the way that they were.

I have no idea whether or not you are immature about drinking.

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Personally I don't like alcohol that much, but when I do drink yes, I don't see a reason to do it other than at least getting pleasantly intoxicated. Generally I'll stop after about four rum and cokes.

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I think the difference is that the vast vast majority of times I'm drinking, I'm *not* getting drunk. Something that maybe you just don't get yet.


You have got to learn when I'm actually calling you stupid or irresponsible and when I'm not.

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Pensive wrote:
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I think the difference is that the vast vast majority of times I'm drinking, I'm *not* getting drunk. Something that maybe you just don't get yet.


You have got to learn when I'm actually calling you stupid or irresponsible and when I'm not.


/shrug

I was responding to the issue as a whole, not "you" specifically. I get that you were explaining why others would react that way, and my response was aimed at that reaction, not necessarily your own personal opinion.
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#48 Mar 23 2009 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I just think it's funny that you choose to attempt to rebut the one person who responded to you but didn't call you a liar about how you choose to drink

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as far as my own drinking goes; if I wanted to drink something for hydration or tatse, I'd drink purified water. If I want to have fun, four-five shot-equivalent drinks over an hour does it.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 11:02pm by Pensive
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I just think it's funny that you choose to attempt to rebut the one person who responded to you but didn't call you a liar about how you choose to drink


I believe I responded to every single post which quoted one of mine somewhat equally. You ask for clarification. I give it. If I was a bit defensive in my replies, I think that was reasonable given the number of knee-jerk name-calling I received earlier in the thread.

I think a rebuttal is a lot more "fair" then calling someone names without first finding out what they're talking about, wouldn't you agree?
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I give it. If I was a bit defensive in my replies, I think that was reasonable given the number of knee-jerk name-calling I received earlier in the thread.


Sure

Alls I'm saying is that we don't have to fight all of the time you know. Really dude, it's okay; you drink responsibly. That's cool. No strings attached, no barbs, no backhanded compliments. Just take it.
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This is the Asylum though... ;)

I'm pretty sure I can find a typo or grammar error in your post somewhere if I try. RAR!
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