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#1 Mar 09 2009 at 11:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dear God, send more conservatives than Gbaji, Varrus and Gwyn.
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is my favorite from Wiki.

In the USA, a lek looks amazing like a gymnasium! Smiley: schooled
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#4 Mar 10 2009 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Totem's african voyage sort of stops him from counting.

Nepthys is sort of conservative though.
#5 Mar 10 2009 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Dear God, send more conservatives than Gbaji, Varrus and Gwyn.


I am not a conservative Smiley: mad
#6 Mar 10 2009 at 2:55 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think Ugly will like it too much that you forgot him. Smiley: lol
#7 Mar 10 2009 at 3:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think Ugly will like it too much that you forgot him. Smiley: lol
I tend to keep my conservative views quiet because I'm not up for the gang banging I'd take for disagreeing with people here. And let's be honest, I'm fairly ignorant on American politics which is what 99%+ of political discussion in here are based on, which would probable make those gang bangings justifiable.


Also, who the fuck wants to be lumped with gbaji or Varrus?

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 8:39am by Uglysasquatch
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#8 Mar 10 2009 at 3:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dear God, send more conservatives than Gbaji, Varrus and Gwyn.
Sorry Ari, Dieties such as myself do not bow to the wishes of dirty convicts such as yourself, should you wish to move back to the motherland and bow before my Avatar Queen Elizabeth II I might think about it.

I'm off to have some Tea and cumpets with Charles, pip pip.
#9 Mar 10 2009 at 4:10 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, ****** Superhero wrote:
Lady Keikomyau wrote:
I don't think Ugly will like it too much that you forgot him. Smiley: lol
I tend to keep my conservative views quiet because I'm not up for the gang banging I'd take for disagreeing with people here. And let's be honest, I'm fairly ignorant on American politics which is what 99%+ of political discussion in here are based on, which would probable make those gang bangings justifiable.


Also, who the fuck wants to be lumped with gbaji or Varrus?

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 8:39am by Uglysasquatch


True, Gbaji and Varrus aren't exactly people I'd like to be lumped with either. They're pretty extreme on the republican side of things.

I had also voted Conservative back in the 2008 elections, but like you said, we would likely catch alot of flak. Not to mention I'd say I'm more of a Red Tory than anything.
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True, Gbaji and Varrus aren't exactly people I'd like to be lumped with either. They're pretty extreme on the republican side of things


I'm still wondering on what Basis Ari posted that I should be grouped with them.
#11 Mar 10 2009 at 4:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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We've has intelligent conservatives around here before who actually participated in debate without seeming retarded. Jawbox & Metastophicleas spring to mind. I've debated with both and never felt the need to question their state of mental health. There's also those who lean conservative but who stay out of the debating threads.

Unfortunately, most of the ones who have something political to say are touched in the head with Freeper Mongloidism or something. When a new person rolls through the forums from the starboard side of the ship, they're a hundred times more like to be a AmorTonight or Boomsticker than another Jawbox.
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#12 Mar 10 2009 at 4:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Silent show of hands inside your own heads as to whether you can see why I think she might be just a little like them, or not. The people on the "not" side might like to express vocal support.

There are social conservatives, and there are economic conservatives. There are people who are conservative on some issues, and not others.

You've started a fair few posts with "I'm not a conservative, but...."

There's also this conservative trait, to worship the rights and freedom of the individual, (me, or people like me) above any intelligent form of cooperation for enlightened-self interest reasons, or simply consideration for what is fair for all concerned. A lack of length of farsightedness in recognising that if you invest long term and widely spread in the welfare of other people, you get even longer term, higher economic returns back, not mention a more peaceful and civilised society.

Secondly, a conservative trait to blame others for behaviours that they have been driven into by the bad behaviour of other people towards them in the first place. A blindness to recognition that people cannot grow without being shaped by their environments.

A tendency to tar everyone in a cultural/racial/socio-economoc group, with the actions of a few of their misbehaved brethren.

Lastly, another Cult of the Individual thing. An idea that the charisma of a single person makes them a more fit leader than their personal social/economic policies, even more importantly (in the English/Aussie system) than their party social/economic policies, and than the intelligence, communication and organisation of their management support team.

Oh sure, in reality charisma or a reassuring dullness gets you elected. But the smart liberals are voting on the ISSUES.

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 8:49am by Aripyanfar
#13 Mar 10 2009 at 5:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Dear God, send more conservatives than Gbaji, Varrus and Gwyn.
Sorry Ari, Dieties such as myself do not bow to the wishes of dirty convicts such as yourself, should you wish to move back to the motherland and bow before my Avatar Queen Elizabeth II I might think about it.

I'm off to have some Tea and cumpets with Charles, pip pip.


I thought cumpets were a Japanese thing?
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#14 Mar 10 2009 at 5:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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#15 Mar 10 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:

..A tendency to tar everyone in a cultural/racial/socio-economic group, with the actions of a few of their misbehaved brethren.
Edited, Mar 10th 2009 8:49am by Aripyanfar


Now, I hardly think that thats a solely conservative trait. People who identify themselves as Christian may be lumped into the same group as the Fundamentalist Evangelicals, despite the individual in question being one of the Christian left. as one case. Granted, of course, that I wouldn't say this is common, but I wouldnt put it as rare either. People in general tend to make assumptions of a group, regardless of individual merit, be it positive or negative.

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There's also this conservative trait, to worship the rights and freedom of the individual, (me, or people like me) above any intelligent form of cooperation for enlightened-self interest reasons, or simply consideration for what is fair for all concerned. A lack of length of farsightedness in recognising that if you invest long term and widely spread in the welfare of other people, you get even longer term, higher economic returns back, not mention a more peaceful and civilised society.


I would disagree except that you qualified it with "people like me." I wouldn't say Conservatives lack respect for social cooperation, they just don't want to have it mandated and supervised by government. A fiscal conservative would disagree with the second sentence above completely ... promoting capitalism is a long-term investment for the good of society as a whole.

I am a social libertarian and a fiscal moderate in my political positions. Neither Liberals nor Conservatives are sufficiently respectful of individual rights for my tastes.

IMO, U.S. Liberals support equal rights for minorities, free speech, abortion some privacy rights, the rights of criminals, and the rights of children (that haven't been born yet). U.S. Conservatives support gun rights, parental rights, some privacy rights, the rights of victims (except for victims of rape who should have known better than to dress that way ... ) and the rights of unborn children.

Wrt freedom of religion, it seems like both sides would say they support it, but from different angles, and neither side would be completely right.

Bottom line, both sides have enough wrong that I can't accept either label.

In before outraged Liberals and Conservatives ... I know I'm exaggerating and stereotyping; so was the quoted statement.
#17 Mar 10 2009 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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But self-identified liberals, progressives, and left-wingers ought to be more consciously seeking to judge individuals on their merits, not their birth group of origin.
#18REDACTED, Posted: Mar 10 2009 at 6:08 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) Yes yes and to most of you Washington was nothing more than a white slave owning aristocrat.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Silent show of hands inside your own heads as to whether you can see why I think she might be just a little like them, or not. The people on the "not" side might like to express vocal support.

There are social conservatives, and there are economic conservatives. There are people who are conservative on some issues, and not others.

You've started a fair few posts with "I'm not a conservative, but...."


I'm not a communist but ..
I'm not a green activist but ..
I'm not a conservative but ..
Just because I agree with certain aspects does not make me a conservative.

Aripyanfar wrote:
There's also this conservative trait, to worship the rights and freedom of the individual, (me, or people like me) above any intelligent form of cooperation for enlightened-self interest reasons, or simply consideration for what is fair for all concerned. A lack of length of farsightedness in recognising that if you invest long term and widely spread in the welfare of other people, you get even longer term, higher economic returns back, not mention a more peaceful and civilised society.


I am truly socialist on this aspect. We are all responsible for society as a whole. We all need to invest in society in monetary and personal time investment to reap rewards.
I support the welfare state and I support all the mechanisms which were introduced in the United Kingdom to remove the need for basic wants.

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Secondly, a conservative trait to blame others for behaviours that they have been driven into by the bad behaviour of other people towards them in the first place. A blindness to recognition that people cannot grow without being shaped by their environments.

A tendency to tar everyone in a cultural/racial/socio-economoc group, with the actions of a few of their misbehaved brethren.


Well I think I have posted quite clearly on several occasions that such thinking is not something I beleive in. In fact I have argued against people who have taken that stance, Nitalai for one with his views on immigrants to the UK.

Aripyanfar wrote:
Lastly, another Cult of the Individual thing. An idea that the charisma of a single person makes them a more fit leader than their personal social/economic policies, even more importantly (in the English/Aussie system) than their party social/economic policies, and than the intelligence, communication and organisation of their management support team.

Oh sure, in reality charisma or a reassuring dullness gets you elected. But the smart liberals are voting on the ISSUES.

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 8:49am by Aripyanfar


Now you are confusing my reflection on human nature with my voting preferences.
I clearly stated that I do consider the leader to be an important and vital part of any voting decision, but I also stated in order on what merits the party gains my vote. The Leader is the last consideration but critical .. once the policies have been considered.

The BNP could have the most charismatic and visionary leader to ever walk this earth and I would never vote for him as the policies of the party are beyond insane.

Conversely, the Conservatives have a very presentable and charismatic leader but the policies are not clear and some of those that are, scare me. I am just suffering the terrible choice of 2 evils at the next Election, more terribly tired Labour or risk a Tory government and hope the damage is not too severe.
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Yes yes and to most of you Washington was nothing more than a white slave owning aristocrat.

He's also a $1 bill. Smiley: schooled
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Yes yes and to most of you Washington was nothing more than a white slave owning aristocrat.
He helped start the French-Indian War by killing an unarmed French envoy!
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#22 Mar 10 2009 at 6:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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bluffratt wrote:
Yes yes and to most of you Washington was nothing more than a white slave owning aristocrat.



And obviously that would be incorrect; however, it is equally incorrect to deny that he was all of those things among others.

People are complex, and many social conservatives don't want to acknowledge that, preferring to deal in black and white.

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#23 Mar 10 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm a bit right wing. Here are some right wing stances I take:

Anti women's rights
Pro slavery
Pro "common sense"
Anti reason
Anti intellectual

If anyone wants to debate any of these issues, feel free to start a thread. I'm also scared of change.
#24 Mar 10 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're afraid of coins?

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#26 Mar 10 2009 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're afraid of coins?


Yes. Even when pegged to the gold standard, coinage leads to the intensification of booms and, the key here, busts. By which I mean breasts. Before we had coinage, no one got breast implants. Now they do. A clear correlation. Therefore, I submit that we should remove currency and conduct all our transactions in pigs and swedes, to remove the pressure on women to spend resources (currently money, but not for long!) modifying their bodies.

This is the kind of moderate, incremental change that Americans need.
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