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#52 Mar 09 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:

Would you enlighten the Asylum if you have ever voted for a candidate that was affiliated to a political party?
I feel dirty for explaining myself.

I have voted for candidates of various parties.

I couldn't vote for one candidate because of her stance on the death penalty.

Another lost my vote because of his covert racist agenda.

Your point?
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#53 Mar 09 2009 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:

Would you enlighten the Asylum if you have ever voted for a candidate that was affiliated to a political party?
I feel dirty for explaining myself.

I have voted for candidates of various parties.

I couldn't vote for one candidate because of her stance on the death penalty.

Another lost my vote because of his covert racist agenda.

Your point?


I admit I've never come across such conflicts of interest. I'm surprised you even had a racist or pro death penalty candidate Smiley: frown

I would do the same in those specific situations. There are always exceptions to the rule, but for most of the population such conflicts will not arise unless the parties really let themselves down with who they sponsor. Where the hell were you living? Smiley: eek
#54 Mar 09 2009 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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If you vote for someone, because you are hoping his party will be the majority, without looking at if he will take time to deal with the needs of those that live in his district (forgive me Brits if i get terms wrong here, I'm just a stupid American.) Then you are being stupid.

While I am a life long Democrat, I've voted for the pubbie running for congress in my district, when they were the better choice. I rather have some pubbie who will listen to the voters that elected them, then someone who is running on the democratic ticket and can't tie their shoes.
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#55 Mar 09 2009 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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Forgive my crashing ignorance, old boy, but is the following scenario an actual possibility within the structure of the British system?


A general election is held.

Party A = 30% of the Parli seats
Party B = 30% of the Parli seats
Party C = 20% of the Parli seats
Party D = 20% of the Parli seats

With no clear majority for any party, Party A and B declare thay are now the A/B party, take control of Parli and pick any goddam MP they want to be PM?


I mean, more or less?
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#56 Mar 09 2009 at 11:50 PM Rating: Good
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ElneClare wrote:
If you vote for someone, because you are hoping his party will be the majority, without looking at if he will take time to deal with the needs of those that live in his district (forgive me Brits if i get terms wrong here, I'm just a stupid American.) Then you are being stupid.

While I am a life long Democrat, I've voted for the pubbie running for congress in my district, when they were the better choice. I rather have some pubbie who will listen to the voters that elected them, then someone who is running on the democratic ticket and can't tie their shoes.


We have local elections to vote for those that manage our local councils. Voting nationally and locally are two quite distinctive acts.
#57 Mar 10 2009 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
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A general election is held.

Party A = 30% of the Parli seats
Party B = 30% of the Parli seats
Party C = 20% of the Parli seats
Party D = 20% of the Parli seats

With no clear majority for any party, Party A and B declare thay are now the A/B party, take control of Parli and pick any goddam MP they want to be PM?

I mean, more or less?


Nobby may have more to say here but that situation (30%, 30%, 20%, 20%) will not occur. We use a 'first past the post' for electing MPs for a reason, so that we do not gain hung parliaments.

If you view the last results here you can clearly see that Labour have a parliamentary majority based on a voting percentage of just 35% v's the Tory 32%.

While some may say this is unfair and proportional representation should be used, I have yet to see a system with proportional representation be successful.

Nobby is technically correct about the position of Prime Minister, but I doubt a parliament would last very long if a switch in PM was made without good reason (death, illness). Brown is suffering enough with questions of his legitimacy for the position with jibes in PM questions and the press.
Deposing your leader you has also been shown to be a party/vote killer. It split the conservatives in half after they forced out Margaret Thatcher. The Liberal Democrats have some blood on their hands too with Charles Kennedy.
#58 Mar 10 2009 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe I'm thinking Italian system, hence their 485748759547834 different governments since 1945?
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#59 Mar 10 2009 at 12:35 AM Rating: Good
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
We have local elections to vote for those that manage our local councils. Voting nationally and locally are two quite distinctive acts.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong!!! Smiley: disappointed

You're doing this on purpose aren't you!
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#60 Mar 10 2009 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:

Nobby may have more to say here but that situation (30%, 30%, 20%, 20%) will not occur. We use a 'first past the post' for electing MPs for a reason, so that we do not gain hung parliaments.
OK now you're taking the ****.

It can occur, and has occurred quite often, you dumb, cloth-eared bint!

Yes Bijou,

While we have many parties, only the main 3 ever get a serious look-in. We have had hung parlaiments in 1974, 1978 and even as recently as 1996, but I guess Gwyn was busy digging spuds in County Kildare at the time.

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#61 Mar 10 2009 at 1:05 AM Rating: Good
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I thought I may have learned something about yer Parli system once. The fact that I actually sort of remembered how it works, however, leaves me a bit dazed.


Also: Earlier in this thread,

someone wrote:
parlimentary democracy
(I'm sure I read that)

I thought you were a parlimentary monarchy, or is the House Royal pretty much toothless, decicionwise, at this point?
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#62 Mar 10 2009 at 1:10 AM Rating: Good
I don't particularly care for Gordon Brown, but I don't dislike him half as much as most people in England. I do have a hatred for lots of members of the Labour party though: Geoff Hoon most of all, but Hazell Blears is not far behind. Every time I hear this woman speak I want to poke my eyeballs out with rusty tweezers. Someone asked her on Question Time "Apart from re-election, what do you stand for?" and I just wish I had been the one asking that question. It could be asked of the whole Labour party, these days.

Having said that, I do think that Prime ministers are a bit like football managers. They are given a disproportionate amount of credit when things go right, and a disproportionate amount of blame when things go wrong. Brown was *not* the reason why we had 10 golden years under Labour, and it's not his fault we're in the ***** now. These are all forces mostly beyond his control. Politicians have given away so much control to private entities that they are not "in control". They can maybe direct their sails, but they can't control the wind.

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#63 Mar 10 2009 at 2:10 AM Rating: Good
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Anybody mistreating Gordon Brown gets a rate-up from me.

We are desperate to swap this deluded bullship artist for a different one.
Like who? Smiley: dubious



George Galloway for Prime Minister!
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#64 Mar 10 2009 at 2:12 AM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:

Nobby may have more to say here but that situation (30%, 30%, 20%, 20%) will not occur. We use a 'first past the post' for electing MPs for a reason, so that we do not gain hung parliaments.
OK now you're taking the ****.

It can occur, and has occurred quite often, you dumb, cloth-eared bint!

Yes Bijou,

While we have many parties, only the main 3 ever get a serious look-in. We have had hung parlaiments in 1974, 1978 and even as recently as 1996, but I guess Gwyn was busy digging spuds in County Kildare at the time.



Get a grip, I hardly think a 1974 result of 301/297/14 seat parliament is quite the 30/30/20/20 mess that Bijou described. That only lasted a few months before another election and a slim majority government for Wilson.

1978 and 1996 mainly occured to attrition while being in office, not the result of the general elections themselves.
#65 Mar 10 2009 at 3:33 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest the only good politics in the UK for the last 20 years has been the London Mayor, probably the only time when Policies have actually been debated.

Style has ery much overcome substance.

I will vote for the first politician to answer a straight question with a straight answer.

I doubt I will be voting again.
#66 Mar 10 2009 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Would you enlighten the Asylum if you have ever voted for a candidate that was affiliated to a political party?


All employees of the NHS are automatically counted as Labour votes. It's part of the benefits package.

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#67 Mar 10 2009 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:

Would you enlighten the Asylum if you have ever voted for a candidate that was affiliated to a political party?


All employees of the NHS are automatically counted as Labour votes. It's part of the benefits package.

Stone cold! Smiley: laugh
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#68 Mar 10 2009 at 2:42 PM Rating: Default
Wow, British politics is boring.

Still, not as boring as watching the California supreme court arguments re:prop8 on C-SPAN the other day.
#69 Mar 10 2009 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
It's probably a little too high-brow for a trailer-trash tit-oggler, I'm afraid.

Hah, just kidding, of course it's boring. It's politics.
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