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#27 Mar 27 2009 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fun fact: the phrase is properly "bated breath", as in held/suspended. I'm not sure what one would use to bait one's breath. Worms to attract fish, I suppose. Rotting meat for foxes.



Mints for people?

Well, unless you're me and dating someone who clearly has no standards and is obviously baited by the scent of garlic, onions, and strong cheeses.

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#28 Mar 27 2009 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Well the report is in. HR called me today for a bit of clarification and said there will be an answer regarding my status tomorrow.


You're boned. Lie next time.

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#29 Mar 27 2009 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, unless you're me and dating someone who clearly has no standards and is obviously baited by the scent of garlic, onions, and strong cheeses.


You're just lucky Chef Boyardee isn't a real person.

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#30 Mar 27 2009 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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Well the report is in. HR called me today for a bit of clarification and said there will be an answer regarding my status tomorrow.


You're boned. Lie next time.

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Carnac says what?

Anyone know of a good employment attourney?

Just got a phone call about 20 minutes ago. I am terminated as of today.
#31 Mar 27 2009 at 5:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ouch. Sorry to hear it.

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#32 Mar 27 2009 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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Ow. I'm sorry for you too. Smiley: cry

With this consolidation into the parent company, are there any other sackings here and there, as they find a few redundancies?

Edited, Mar 27th 2009 10:16pm by Aripyanfar
#33 Mar 27 2009 at 6:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I guess that's one more incentive not to drink and drive.
#34 Mar 29 2009 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aadyn - I am sorry to hear of your termination. I don't post much on here, but your story intrigued me. I am an HR Manager for a Fortune 200 company, so please take what I write as simply "business advice."

1. The #1 rule of thumb in the HR world: "If it's not documented, then it doesn't exist." You stated that someone flagged your file upon hire to not run a BG check. That is a huge no-no. The person who did that can still be subpoenaed and is the one whole started this mess. UNLESS, the "flag" was shredded or never existed to begin with.

2. Do you know the policy associated with BG checks at your company? Most only consider the previous seven years as "discoverable." Since these charges were over seven years ago, they cannot be considered as part of the company's decision to terminate you. I've ran a BG check where someone was found guilty of first-degree murder. In 1989. As unnerving as that was to see, I had to put a big "X" through it since I could not consider it as discoverable information.

3. Do you have a nice, shiny performance record? Any disciplinary actions against you?

4. Many companies are required to code terminations (known as a "termination event"). Examples: violation of rules/policies, insubordination, safety, destruction of company property, job abandonment, attendance, etc. It'd be smart to find out how your termination was coded.

All in all, yes, you do have a leg to stand on as far as a wrongful termination lawsuit. I'd recommend you seek representation as soon as possible. Good luck!
#35 Mar 29 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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All in all, yes, you do have a leg to stand on as far as a wrongful termination lawsuit. I'd recommend you seek representation as soon as possible. Good luck!


Well, wouldn't it just take one other person in the company that can do his job, and have a slightly better record, to give them the ability to lay him off and keep the other person? Edit: Not even record, merely seniority would be enough...

Considering they are a world wide title/escrow company, I'm sure their HR personnel have covered their tracks well enough to give good enough reason for termination beyond 10 year old DUI and thievery charges.

Edited, Mar 29th 2009 2:36pm by TirithRR
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#36 Mar 29 2009 at 12:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Xachary wrote:
1. The #1 rule of thumb in the HR world: "If it's not documented, then it doesn't exist." You stated that someone flagged your file upon hire to not run a BG check. That is a huge no-no. The person who did that can still be subpoenaed and is the one whole started this mess. UNLESS, the "flag" was shredded or never existed to begin with.


The flag existed. I saw it with my own eyes when the HR was local. Also the previous local HR Admin saw it too. I can subpoena that person along with the person who hired me to testify that the flag was there and that they knew of my background befor hireing me.

Xachary wrote:
2. Do you know the policy associated with BG checks at your company? Most only consider the previous seven years as "discoverable." Since these charges were over seven years ago, they cannot be considered as part of the company's decision to terminate you. I've ran a BG check where someone was found guilty of first-degree murder. In 1989. As unnerving as that was to see, I had to put a big "X" through it since I could not consider it as discoverable information.


I do not know the Discoveralble period. I can try and get ahold of the previous HR person to find out.

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3. Do you have a nice, shiny performance record? Any disciplinary actions against you?


Yes. No blemishes and stellar performance reviews. No Disciplinary actions.

Xachary wrote:
4. Many companies are required to code terminations (known as a "termination event"). Examples: violation of rules/policies, insubordination, safety, destruction of company property, job abandonment, attendance, etc. It'd be smart to find out how your termination was coded.


They are sending me a packet with my vacation pay and the background check. I also requested a copy of my personel file.

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All in all, yes, you do have a leg to stand on as far as a wrongful termination lawsuit. I'd recommend you seek representation as soon as possible. Good luck!


Sound advice. Ill look into getting an attourney.
#37 Mar 29 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Remember, lie next time. Once you're past the 7 year window, lying in the way to go. When in doubt, lie. This is the US, honesty is just seen as weakness.

Chin up, though, my brief look-see at California employment law indicates that there's a good chance they'll throw you some money to go away if you file suit. So there's always that!
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#38 Mar 29 2009 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
Lying pretty much always works if you put enough thought into it. Another great strategy is saying as little as required. Failing that, people are generally willing to overlook things if you're very rich.

Failing that.... well, you guys have guns there, right? Yeah.
#39 Mar 29 2009 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR wrote:
Xachary wrote:
All in all, yes, you do have a leg to stand on as far as a wrongful termination lawsuit. I'd recommend you seek representation as soon as possible. Good luck!


Well, wouldn't it just take one other person in the company that can do his job, and have a slightly better record, to give them the ability to lay him off and keep the other person? Edit: Not even record, merely seniority would be enough...

Considering they are a world wide title/escrow company, I'm sure their HR personnel have covered their tracks well enough to give good enough reason for termination beyond 10 year old DUI and thievery charges.

Edited, Mar 29th 2009 2:36pm by TirithRR


Don't count on that. When my company was acquired the new owners were not going to comp us for unused vacation time. You can't do that here. Smiley: smile

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#40 Mar 29 2009 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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I don't get compensated for unused vacation time Smiley: frown

We are allowed to roll over 5 days each year, anything we cannot roll over and do not use before the end of April, we lose. I tried to get them to let me cash in my days, but they said no.

Last year, due to 200% work hours, and some crazy busy times, I wasn't able to take any vacation. But my boss let me fill out 5 "to be announced" time off slips. So I rolled over 5 days, and kept my other 5 days I had left.

Speaking of vacation time, I have 5 days I must use or else I lose them!
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#41 Mar 29 2009 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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That was just a one-time deal after the acquisition. As of now, we have to take it or lose it, which is fine since we know it. Our acquisition happened late in the year, literally too late for many of us to take all the time we had coming to us.

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#42 Mar 29 2009 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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As of now, we have to take it or lose it


Are you sure this is legal?

Back at my old company, HQ was in Houston and HR said they can't legally make you use your vacation or you lose it in CA. It was strongly advised that we take it though.

Edit: Linky might want to rethink what your employer said.

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A policy that requires that you take all your vacation within the year or lose it is illegal. However, if they employer pays out the unused portion at the end of the year, then that is legal


Edited, Mar 29th 2009 7:21pm by Aadyn Litefoot
#43 Mar 29 2009 at 6:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Interesting. Well, I'd rather take it anyway. I stood to lose about a month's worth when all that happened, and that's just silly.

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#44 Mar 30 2009 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Interesting. Well, I'd rather take it anyway. I stood to lose about a month's worth when all that happened, and that's just silly.


I consulted for on a contract to configure a small company's HRIS/Payroll to accrue vacation time at the employees current salary, ie: if they took the time after a raise, they were compensated for it at the earlier, lower, rate.

For what they ended up paying on the contract, I can't imagine they derived any financial benefit.



Edited, Mar 30th 2009 5:41pm by Smasharoo
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#45 May 13 2009 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
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Final Update: I went and saw an attorney. He advised me that I do not have a case. I had signed an at will employment agreement so that basically gave them cart blanche to terminate me. It’s been 6 weeks and only two interviews for a tech position in the same location as our new home. After the fourth week, I have been submitting resumes for anything that I am reasonably qualified to do (read: pays more then unemployment). This blows as I have never been out of work for this long. I had a phone interview with a company yesterday and they asked for a face to face on Friday so that is good news..

Edited, May 13th 2009 8:45pm by Aadyn Litefoot

Edited, May 13th 2009 9:59pm by Aadyn Litefoot
#46 May 13 2009 at 7:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good luck!

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