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Timeloydwho, animals die everyday. Fossils are created every day. Those fossils are continually being converted into fuel every day. How can you say we will run out of something that is being constantly produced?
bluffratt wrote:
souls,
Well for one it's not limited. How can you say something is limited when you have no idea how much there is to begin with? That would be like me saying there is only a limited amount of drinkable water so we have to ration what we drink so that we don't run out in a 100yrs. Can you see how stupid that is?
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:00pm by bluffratt
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Forget global warming, what about the inefficient waste of limited non-renewable resources?
Well for one it's not limited. How can you say something is limited when you have no idea how much there is to begin with? That would be like me saying there is only a limited amount of drinkable water so we have to ration what we drink so that we don't run out in a 100yrs. Can you see how stupid that is?
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:00pm by bluffratt
Allegory wrote:
Timeloydwho, animals die everyday. Fossils are created every day. Those fossils are continually being converted into fuel every day. How can you say we will run out of something that is being constantly produced?
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
You can't use water as an analogy, because water, after being expelled from the body, immediately reenters the ecosystem. Fossil fuels take millenia to form.
Yes, but the upside to that is that they've been forming for millennium. If we just started producing fossil fuels you'd have a point, but they've been in production for the millennium it takes to form them.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
This is the scenario we face. At some point, we're going to consume more than our planet can presently produce. Food, fuel, everything. Because the planet is finite, and our growth hasn't been finite at all.
So really, instead of worrying about the environment, we should just be eliminating more of the people in it?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Allegory wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
You can't use water as an analogy, because water, after being expelled from the body, immediately reenters the ecosystem. Fossil fuels take millenia to form.
Yes, but the upside to that is that they've been forming for millennium. If we just started producing fossil fuels you'd have a point, but they've been in production for the millennium it takes to form them.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
They're not being converted at a rate that matches our consumption.
Ash, billions of organisms die every day. There will always be enough dead animals to have oil.
I know! Let's use the people we kill off to make more oil for the rest of us! Problem solved... :)
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Allegory wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
They're not being converted at a rate that matches our consumption.
Ash, billions of organisms die every day. There will always be enough dead animals to have oil.
bluffratt wrote:
You just blew his mind.
Honestly Varrus I'm starting to see what you're talking about. I don't think they're as biased as you do, but I do see it every now and then.
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Timeloydwho, animals die everyday. Fossils are created every day. Those fossils are continually being converted into fuel every day. How can you say we will run out of something that is being constantly produced?
Oh ok, I get it now. Goddamn that Liberal Media Conspiracy.
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I know! Let's use the people we kill off to make more oil for the rest of us! Problem solved... :)
So the Iraq war was for Oil. Future Oil.
Those tricksy devils!
Just as Planned.
bluffratt wrote:
Ash,
And you're operating under the assumption that humanity won't discover a more viable means of producing energy in the next 100yrs. When oil begins to become scarce you better believe these energy conglomerates will come up with something else.
And you're operating under the assumption that humanity won't discover a more viable means of producing energy in the next 100yrs. When oil begins to become scarce you better believe these energy conglomerates will come up with something else.
You make all my points for me.
Plus you just admitted that oil will become scarce.
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 2:24pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
Assuming your "infinite source of oil" theory is correct, to sustain ourselves indefinitely, an equal amount of biomass has to perish every day as the tonnage of oil we consume. Crunch those numbers!
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 2:25pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
Edited, Mar 5th 2009 2:25pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
Yes. People! :)
We'll call it "Soylent Energy". It's all natural. Fully renewable.
We'll call it "Soylent Energy". It's all natural. Fully renewable.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Timelordwho wrote:
Oh ok, I get it now. Goddamn that Liberal Media Conspiracy.
It's not a conspiracy. Is it really so difficult to believe that news networks with a large constituency of liberal viewers might want to cater to that crowd? That's just good business.
gbaji wrote:
Are you suggesting that the global warming predictions are similar in "range" to option (2)? Cause that would make my earlier statement about no temperature increase over the last decade relevant, wouldn't it?
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You've said yourself many times that science must be falsifiable in order to be useful.
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Is Global Warming falsifiable? If so, by what?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
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Is Global Warming falsifiable? If so, by what?
You don't test a theory by testing the source data. You generate predictions based on your theory and test those. You test the theory, not the data you based the theory on. Testing the data doesn't tell you your theory about the meaning of the data is true. You have to test the actual theory. Did Global Warming models predict that temperatures would continue to increase from 2000 to 2009? Yes or no?
Where on this chart do you see support for the idea that temperature change predictions just happen "later" and shouldn't be seen "now".
Are we supposed to accept that even though we don't see any effects today, it'll happen sometime later? When does "sometime later" get here? And if it never does, why are we spending all this money?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
bluffratt wrote:
Ash,
Because that's not the purpose of government. That's why we have a "free" market.
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What the @#%^? Then why is it wrong for our government to be giving money to that very research?
Because that's not the purpose of government. That's why we have a "free" market.
Allegory wrote:
Timeloydwho, animals die everyday. Fossils are created every day. Those fossils are continually being converted into fuel every day. How can you say we will run out of something that is being constantly produced?
Oil take hundreds of thousands of years, and very specific geologic conditions to form. We've used up about the first 400million years worth of oil this plant has produced...in just the last century. We will run out if we continue to use it at the ever increasing rate that we are currently are.
Alma wrote:
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