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#27 Mar 02 2009 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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consuming little to no beef to reduce flatulence


I tried a veggie diet and farted more than ever. Smiley: dubious
#28 Mar 02 2009 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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consuming little to no beef to reduce flatulence


I tried a veggie diet and farted more than ever. Smiley: dubious


That's because you're full of ****.

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#29 Mar 02 2009 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=KinleyArdal]consuming little to no beef to reduce flatulence


I tried a veggie diet and farted more than ever. Smiley: dubious


That's because you're full of sh*t.

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#30REDACTED, Posted: Mar 02 2009 at 11:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) On a completely unrelated note, that cheerios avatar is the most amusing thing I've seen in weeks.
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#32REDACTED, Posted: Mar 02 2009 at 11:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I was thinking Forlornios, but that works too.
#33 Mar 02 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Haha. If only opponents of global warming understood how it really works.


What do you mean by 'opponents' of global warming? I'm asking because you make it sound like its a 'policy' that someone is implementing.....

Just wondering.

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#34 Mar 02 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Default
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Haha. If only opponents of global warming understood how it really works.


What do you mean by 'opponents' of global warming? I'm asking because you make it sound like its a 'policy' that someone is implementing.....

Just wondering.



I think he meant skeptics. I think you know that too.
#35 Mar 02 2009 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch, ****** Superhero wrote:
Haha. If only opponents of global warming understood how it really works.


What do you mean by 'opponents' of global warming? I'm asking because you make it sound like its a 'policy' that someone is implementing.....

Just wondering.



I think he meant skeptics. I think you know that too.


I dunno.... that pro-climate change faction is a tricksy lot.

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#36 Mar 02 2009 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Those that think global warming is a fallacy. Something made up to scare people. People who believe the world's not getting warmer simply because there was a snow storm somewhere there normally isn't one.
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#37 Mar 02 2009 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
Uglysasquatch, ****** Superhero wrote:
Haha. If only opponents of global warming understood how it really works.


What do you mean by 'opponents' of global warming? I'm asking because you make it sound like its a 'policy' that someone is implementing.....

Just wondering.



I think he meant skeptics. I think you know that too.


I dunno.... that pro-climate change faction is a tricksy lot.

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#38 Mar 02 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a 'man-made' global warming skeptic.

There is a difference.
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#39 Mar 02 2009 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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paulsol wrote:
I'm a 'man-made' global warming skeptic.

There is a difference.
How about a "man-contributed" global warming? Because that's pretty much the writing on the wall, at this point.
#40 Mar 02 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a 'man-made' global warming skeptic.

There is a difference.
Then why do you care if I gorge myself on meat?
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#41 Mar 02 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a 'man-made' global warming skeptic.

There is a difference.
How about a "man-contributed" global warming? Because that's pretty much the writing on the wall, at this point.


Sure. Pretty much.

We contribute our detritus into the environment. My disagreement lies with the amount of contribution we are making to climate change.

But I know theres a heap of things that we are doing that are affecting the planet in far more serious and immediate ways than a possible contribution to the causes of GW, that we could do something about right now.

And as long as we continue to spack out about GW and the effects it may (or may not) have on us in 2 or 3 or 4 hundred years (or 5000 yeras) from now, the less time we are spending on sorting out the things we could fix immmediatly.
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#42 Mar 02 2009 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sure. Pretty much.

We contribute our detritus into the environment. My disagreement lies with the amount of contribution we are making to climate change.

But I know theres a heap of things that we are doing that are affecting the planet in far more serious and immediate ways than a possible contribution to the causes of GW, that we could do something about right now.

And as long as we continue to spack out about GW and the effects it may (or may not) have on us in 2 or 3 or 4 hundred years (or 5000 yeras) from now, the less time we are spending on sorting out the things we could fix immmediatly.


First of all, the effects of global warming are not going to occur two or three hundred years--in fact, we are seeing the effects now and most signs point to the fact that it will get significantly worse in our lifetime. Second of all, why are you a skeptic? And why is it an either or proposition?
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#43 Mar 02 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Second of all, why are you a skeptic? And why is it an either or proposition?
That's all conservative-speak for "We need to reduce our independence on foreign oil," which is conservative-speak for "It doesn't make us an immediate profit, so it's clearly not in our interest."
#44 Mar 02 2009 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Second of all, why are you a skeptic? And why is it an either or proposition?
That's all conservative-speak for "We need to reduce our independence on foreign oil," which is conservative-speak for "It doesn't make us an immediate profit, so it's clearly not in our interest."


My impression has been that paulsol isn't a conservative in the American sense of that word. People say they are skeptics without going into any real reason why. He seems as if he is not only making an assumption that is untrue--i.e. global warming will be a problem in the long-distant future and keeps us from focusing on current problems-- but I'm not sure he is basing it on. Usually when someone challenges mainstream scientific thought, they should be able to provide their rationale--is it just wishful thinking or is there a real reason?
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#45 Mar 02 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Baron von Annabella wrote:
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Second of all, why are you a skeptic? And why is it an either or proposition?
That's all conservative-speak for "We need to reduce our independence on foreign oil," which is conservative-speak for "It doesn't make us an immediate profit, so it's clearly not in our interest."


My impression has been that paulsol isn't a conservative in the American sense of that word. People say they are skeptics without going into any real reason why. He seems as if he is not only making an assumption that is untrue--i.e. global warming will be a problem in the long-distant future and keeps us from focusing on current problems-- but I'm not sure he is basing it on. Usually when someone challenges mainstream scientific thought, they should be able to provide their rationale--is it just wishful thinking or is there a real reason?
Oh I don't doubt that he's not an American-style conservative. I was just being pointlessly partisan for the sake of argument.
#46 Mar 02 2009 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Paulsol's never struck me as "anything" conservative, just some crazy vegetarian. Oh and I guess pretty anti-western politics in any form.
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#47 Mar 02 2009 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
Is the impact of global warming uncertain? Somewhat. Is it happening? Yeah, it seems so. Honestly, do you think people want to believe in global warming? There's no reason to believe this is the case unless you're going to give me some bullsh*t Al Gore conspiracy theory. Don't even think about it, you paint-sniffing mother@#%^er. Reasons why people would want NOT to believe in global warming? Yeah, there are lots. You can choose to believe that the vast majority of the relevant scientific community is totally wrong, which is possibly but highly, highly unlikely, if you really want to. I mean, sure, risking the fate of the planet because there's a tiny chance we're wrong (when the costs of action are minmal in comparison) is pretty damn stupid, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night, that's fine, really. None of us mind.

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Used to be, when people believed their lives, their children's lives, and the future of their nation/planet was at stake, they'd get the guns and start shooting. I mean, honestly. We're gonna keep using oil for quite some time now, and by the time we're all old and gray, our children are going to be condemned to life in a world full of flooded shorelines and exponentially hotter seasons, throwing the ecosystem off balance and sentencing them all to death well before the expected expansion of the sun.

That seems a viable reason to me to break out the firearms.


Yeah, that'd solve everything, you tepid mug of mother@#%^ing cocoa.

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I, personally, am not convinced in either direction. I like to read, and learn. Apparently, that attitude is not shared by all. Then again, I forgot that science isn't about accepting evidence contrary to your theory anymore, but demonizing everything that doesn't support you.


Right. You're the misunderstood intellectual here. I mean, sure, it looks like you're a slobbering plebtard who has so little knowledge about the subject that you don't know that "global warming" is somewhat of a misnomer, but that's just because we're all so closeminded, right? Right. Oh wait, no, you stupid @#%^. I promised to stop telling people to kill themselves, but you're testing the bounds of my self control.

OK. OK, I can do this. Here's a five step plan to improving your life:

1) @#%^ off.
2) Sort your life out.
3) Do what you allege to do already and read a scientific journal.
4) Don't come back, even if you become a reformed man. I don't like your manky little face.
5) Kill yourse- DAMN IT ALL.

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#48 Mar 02 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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paulsol wrote:
I'm a 'man-made' global warming skeptic.

There is a difference.
Then why do you care if I gorge myself on meat?


Because a diet that consists of large amounts of intensively farmed meat is provably bad for your health. The industry that produces factory farmed meat is bad for the environment because of its inneficient use of land and water, its pollution of land and water from feed production and by-product run-offs, and its haphazard use of antibiotics and other chemicals and drugs used in its production.

'Green footprint' and all that......

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First of all, the effects of global warming are not going to occur two or three hundred years--in fact, we are seeing the effects now and most signs point to the fact that it will get significantly worse in our lifetime. Second of all, why are you a skeptic?


If we assume that GW is happening, can you or anyone else, say how much 'we' are contributing to it? And if 'we' are contributing, how much 'we' are contributing? And how fast is our contribution causing the worlds climate change??

I can state categorically right now with 100% certainty that our use of oil to produce disposble items such as plastic bottles/bags, fertilizers, all that sh'it you find in stores that costs nothing because it was produced by indentured laborers in 3rd world countries working for a pittance without any safety considerations, and all the energy that is used to produce and transport cheap factory farmed meat from china to the US and europe, so that ignorant unhealthy peopple can continue 'consuming' at an ever accelerating pace, is DOING FAR MORE HARM TO OUR PLANET.

Can you categoricaly state, with absolute certainty, that our behaviour is doing something to the global climate, that the global climate isn't already doing for itself?

Hmmmm.....thought not.
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#49 Mar 02 2009 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can you categoricaly state, with absolute certainty, that our behaviour is doing something to the global climate, that the global climate isn't already doing for itself?
The measurable and vast increase in greenhouse gasses that the human race has put out since the start of the industrial revolution, combined with the conversion of a large portion of the planet's natural oxygen scrubbers (a.k.a. forests/jungles/rainforests) is leading to a gradual rise in the average temperature of the planet, which translates, thanks to the dynamic nature of Earth's weather/ocean system, to a self-feeding cycle of exponentially changing climate conditions. At an unknown (but thought to be not far-off) point in the future, things will come to a head, and life will be extremely uncomfortable on the earth.
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Can you categoricaly state, with absolute certainty, that our behaviour is doing something to the global climate, that the global climate isn't already doing for itself?


The consensus of the mainstream scientific community is that we are significantly contributing to global climate change that is not only occurring now but will worsen greatly in our lifetime. A few degrees difference in our oceans for instance will result in a massive loss of life. Your contention about other stuff being a problem goes back to two things: Not only is it not an either/or position but that the seriousness of the waste problem/meat production globally has nothing to do with whether mankind has caused global warming. A more correct statement would be that you think that global waste is a bigger problem than global warming and then everyone can debate it.

Really? I'm not sure why I am supposed to discredit the scientific community in favor of listening to some stoner vegetarian on the internet. When you make a statement that goes against mainstream scientific consensus, the burden is on you to make a case for it.



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#51 Mar 02 2009 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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The consensus of the mainstream scientific community


Not so long ago, the concensus of the scientific community was that the human beings lungs would burst if we travelled faster than 60 mils an hour.

Far be it for me to dispute the findings of the scientific community tho........


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I'm not sure why I am supposed to discredit the scientific community in favor of listening to some stoner vegetarian on the internet.


You do what you like. But going along with the majority of the scientific community because they are the majority is not what debating is all about
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Your contention about other stuff being a problem goes back to two things: Not only is it not an either/or position but that the seriousness of the waste problem globally has nothing to do with whether mankind has caused global warming.


My opinion is that human propensity to 'consume' at an ever increasing rate increases energy use and fills a lot of landfills (and oceans) with our discarded stuff to make room in our homes for ever more stuff, and the environmental damage that inevitably follows on from the western 'religeon' of consumerism are inextricably linked.

I have never suggested otherwise.
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