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#179 Mar 05 2009 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent

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Dows down another 200.

It was up 150 yesterday.

Obviously, we need to buy the Obamalings a swing set every day.

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#182 Mar 05 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

Do you not know how the computernets work? When you type stuff, people can read it later.

Gbaji previously wrote:

These are not my words. These are direct campaign promises from Obama. It wasn't "We're going to raise taxes on anyone making over $250k. It was "everyone under 250 will get lower taxes and those over 250 will at worst pay the same rates they paid in the 1990s".

OMG! I totally didn't see that coming.

You got me Joph. I misstated something utterly irrelevant to my post. Congratulations! Why am I not surprised that this was the one thing you responded to?

Now. Want to actually address the issue at hand? Obama promised tax cuts for most people (better?). He promised that taxes would only go up for those earning over 250k, and then only up to 1990 levels.

Explain how he's going to keep those promises. Some of us knew those promises were false almost a year ago. When will you acknowledge that he's not going to meet them?

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#183 Mar 05 2009 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

OMG! I totally didn't see that coming.

When I made an error and see a correction coming, I usually cop to it rather than denying that I ever said it.

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You got me Joph. I misstated something utterly irrelevant to my post. Congratulations! Why am I not surprised that this was the one thing you responded to?

Instead of denying it and then acting spastic when it's pointed out, you can just say "Yeah, I was wrong. Oops".

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Now. Want to actually address the issue at hand?

Why? I posted to mention that you were mistaken when you said that Obama promised everyone under $250k a tax cut. That's all I meant to accomplish and now I'm ready for my aircraft carrier flightdeck speech Smiley: smile

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#184 gbaji, Posted: Mar 05 2009 at 12:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph. I honestly didn't remember writing that. You know why? Because it was an utterly irrelevant part of my statement. Do you understand why?

#185 Mar 05 2009 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

Joph. I honestly didn't remember writing that. You know why? Because it was an utterly irrelevant part of my statement. Do you understand why?

You go through such marvelous acrobatics to avoid just saying you're wrong. Why, not long ago, you just knew that I'd bring it up.

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No amount of semantic word twisting will change that.

Werd

Edited, Mar 5th 2009 3:40pm by Jophiel

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#186 Mar 05 2009 at 2:37 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

gbaji wrote:

Joph. I honestly didn't remember writing that. You know why? Because it was an utterly irrelevant part of my statement. Do you understand why?

You go through such marvelous acrobatics to avoid just saying you're wrong.

Huh? I said I misstated that.

My argument is not wrong. One part of one sentence that was unrelated to my point was incorrect. What the hell is wrong with you?

I grouped people into two categories. Those making more than 250k and those making less than 250k. I was focusing on the ones making more, and making the point that Obama didn't just promise to "only raise taxes" on that group. He promised that taxes on that group would only go up to 1990 levels. That was the entire point I was making when I wrote that.

I could have spent the time specifying that of those making less than 250k, some would see no changes in their taxes, while some would see a tax decrease. But since I wasn't making a point to which that distinction mattered, who cares?

Would you care to respond to the point I was making now? Do you believe that Obamna will keep his promise to only raise taxes on those earning more than 250k to 1990 levels? Yes or no?

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#187 Mar 05 2009 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent

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My argument is not wrong. One part of one sentence that was unrelated to my point was incorrect. What the hell is wrong with you?

Not cripplingly insecure would be my offhand guess.

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#188 Mar 05 2009 at 3:07 PM Rating: Default

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Smasharoo wrote:

My argument is not wrong. One part of one sentence that was unrelated to my point was incorrect. What the hell is wrong with you?

Not cripplingly insecure would be my offhand guess.

How insecure does one have to be to attempt to avoid discussing something by pointing out irrelevant trivialities in another person's post? It's pretty darn Pavlovian. I know that when I make a point, you and Joph both will look at every single word in my post other than the ones used to make the point and attempt to change the argument to be about those other things.

You both do this all the time. It's childish.

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#189 Mar 05 2009 at 3:08 PM Rating: Default

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Care to try again to defend Obama's promise to only raise taxes on those earning 250k to 1990 levels? I'm still waiting for an answer...

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#190 Mar 05 2009 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good

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How insecure does one have to be to attempt to avoid discussing something by pointing out irrelevant trivialities in another person's post? It's pretty darn Pavlovian. I know that when I make a point, you and Joph both will look at every single word in my post other than the ones used to make the point and attempt to change the argument to be about those other things.

False.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's malice here, you're just so emotionally crippled that you invent alternate realities to live in because the one we all share is just too much to bear, what with you being an average guy with little understanding of logic.

It makes me a little sad on occasion, but then it passes and I laugh.

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#191 Mar 05 2009 at 4:23 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

I know that when I make a point, you and Joph both will look at every single word in my post other than the ones used to make the point and attempt to change the argument to be about those other things.

Strangely, you're the only one who cries about this problem.

You should probably strive towards greater accuracy.

I haven't bothered with your oh-so-important question because... well, who knows? You'll continue to say Obama is scary-socialist-evil and I'll probably continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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#192 Mar 05 2009 at 5:12 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

I haven't bothered with your oh-so-important question because... well, who knows?

Who knows?

Strange how deficits and taxes were so incredibly important to you when Bush was in office, but now it's "who knows"? Where's the indignation about deficits? Apparently, running "record deficits" doesn't count when you're a Democrat...

If only some group of people had predicted that this would happen. Gee. Wouldn't that have been great!

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#193 Mar 05 2009 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

Strange how deficits and taxes were so incredibly important to you when Bush was in office, but now it's "who knows"? Where's the indignation about deficits?

Yeah, when Bush did stuff I didn't like, I commented on it. I didn't try to make wild guesses as to what Bush's tax policies would be in three years. Can we at least wait for your tax increases before we start screaming and waving our arms around?

Although, really, you'd be better off yelping at other people about the deficit and tax stuff. My flavor of liberalism is really more of a social bent. In case you hadn't noticed over the last eight or nine years, I comment much more heavily in the social issues threads than in the economic ones.

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#194 Mar 05 2009 at 5:36 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

Yeah, when Bush did stuff I didn't like, I commented on it. I didn't try to make wild guesses as to what Bush's tax policies would be in three years. Can we at least wait for your tax increases before we start screaming and waving our arms around?

Can we agree that given the rate of spending, we will either have a massive deficit or massive tax increases (or some combination of both)?

Either way, Obama didn't meet his promises. Which is *exactly* what us Conservatives predicted would happen. We took one look at the things he was promising and knew he couldn't meet them all. It doesn't take a degree in economics to realize that if a candidate promises increases in spending, and cuts in taxes, and lower deficit, that he has to be lying about at least one of those three things?

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Although, really, you'd be better off yelping at other people about the deficit and tax stuff. My flavor of liberalism is really more of a social bent. In case you hadn't noticed over the last eight or nine years, I comment much more heavily in the social issues threads than in the economic ones.

And if your social issues involved things that didn't require massive spending, I'd have no problem with that. But the second your social agenda requires that others pay more taxes (or run up a deficit), it becomes an economic issue, doesn't it?

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#195 Mar 05 2009 at 8:53 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

Can we agree that given the rate of spending, we will either have a massive deficit or massive tax increases (or some combination of both)?

Nope. When it happens we can agree on it.

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Which is *exactly* what us Conservatives predicted would happen.

Too bad you guys suck *** at winning elections lately, huh?

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#196 Mar 06 2009 at 3:56 AM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

And if your social issues involved things that didn't require massive spending, I'd have no problem with that.

Bull shit. Allowing gay marriage wouldn't involve massive spending and you're still completely against it.

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#197 Mar 06 2009 at 5:34 AM Rating: Excellent

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Gbaji likes to pretend that money is the reason he's against most of those social issues.

Even funnier is when he claims that money is the real reason the GOP Congress is against the same issues. The stem cell research debate being a classic example.

Of course, what Gbaji also fails to realize is that I'm not opposed to spending, even initial deficit spending, on things I think are worth it such as health care just as he steadfastly defended Bush driving us into a hole on Iraq spending. So maybe there will be a larger deficit. Honestly, at this point it's almost hard to care. And at least Obama is being honest about spending the money unlike the previous six or seven years of off the books war budgets that really had no excuse for being off the books. He claims to have a plan to start turning the deficit around. I'll happily admit that any time a politican gives their plan, it's based on the most optimistic outlook possible but at least he's thinking about it. I don't remember the deficit being reduced since Clinton.

Campaign promises? The whole thing went tits up when we started making multi-billion dollar bailouts in September and December and January and February and March. I still have more faith in Obama than I do in the GOP no matter how clumbsily Gbaji tries to paint me into some corner.

Edited, Mar 6th 2009 7:37am by Jophiel

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#199 Mar 06 2009 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent

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bluffratt wrote:

Jophiel,

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I'll happily admit that any time a politican gives their plan, it's based on the most optimistic outlook possible but at least he's thinking about it. I don't remember the deficit being reduced since Clinton.

Dow's down 20% since Obama's inarguration and 30% since he was elected. Despite Obama's ability to enthrall the masses with his voice the market sees right through him. Obama has no interest in a successful economy, at this point in his presidency. He needs a crisis to overcome. A challenge to be met. This supposed "economic crisis" provides just that. And you better believe Obama is going to take full advantage of the situation to expand the role of government in peoples lives. If you think the govn re-distribution of 1 trillion of it's tax payers money isn't a massive expansion of govn that about says it all.

Like Reagan?

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#200 Mar 06 2009 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent

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What's funny to me is that the conservatives go on and on about "government interference" and "intrusions of liberty" and the like. The Democratic version of intrusion of liberty is protecting the little guy from rampant soulless corporate greed. The Republican version of intrusion of liberty is The Patriot Act.

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#201 Mar 06 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Excellent

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bluffratt wrote:

He needs a crisis to overcome. A challenge to be met. This supposed "economic crisis" provides just that. And you better believe Obama is going to take full advantage of the situation to expand the role of government in peoples lives.

You mean he'll sneakily use the economic risis to give me the stuff I've been wanting for years like some form of universal health care, greater government regulation and a strong platform on climate change? Awesome!!

Expanded government was your boogeyman, not mine. Hell, it's what I voted for Smiley: grin

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