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#27 Feb 19 2009 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Not speaking for Omega but I would imagine that his point has more to do with the parties and their respective platforms than with Steele and Obama per se.



Sure. I just feel that's a self creating situation. People assume that Republicans aren't in touch with urban issues and people (especially blacks and latinos). Thus, even black and latino republicans are viewed through the lens of this assumption. Which leads people like Omega to make the comment he made, and others to mock someone like Steele. This leads to more laughter and mirth, while everyone pats themselves on the back about how funny it is that a republican might think he knows anything about growing up poor and black, because we all know that republicans aren't in touch with urban issues and people, right?


Take away the starting assumption and the ongoing plays on that assumption, and what do you have? Nothing. Ok. We have a Democrat who was raised in Hawaii, with *zero* genetic ties to black America being viewed as "in touch" with the American black community and assumed to be speaking for them. Meanwhile a guy who's the direct descendant of southern sharecroppers, is viewed as not being "in touch" because he chose to be republican rather than democrat.

Just kinda strange, don't you think?
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Michael S. Steele plans an “off the hook” public relations offensive


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“It will be avant garde, technically,” he said. “It will come to table with things that will surprise everyone - off the hook.”


You know what would be even better. If he tried for the obscure Kraftwerk demographic.

Also, Obama took like 97% of the black vote.


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gbaji wrote:
We have a Democrat who was raised in Hawaii, with *zero* genetic ties to black America being viewed as "in touch" with the American black community and assumed to be speaking for them.
Well, there were those worthless years as a community organizer and the whole state senator for a largely black & hispanic South Side district thing.

But, yeah, most people figure Obama must be in touch with the urban folks because he's a Democrat (from Hawaii).
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#30 Feb 19 2009 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
But, yeah, most people figure Obama must be in touch with the urban folks because he's a Democrat


It's not an invalid assumption. Democrats do appeal more to urban folks, generally. It's that whole blue-collar working man image.

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It's not an invalid assumption. Democrats do appeal more to urban folks, generally. It's that whole blue-collar working man image.
Sure, but I doubt people would accuse Roland Burris of being an off the hook, hip-hop urban minority magnet. Either he's not black enough or not Democrat enough!
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#32 Feb 19 2009 at 1:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
[People assume that Republicans aren't in touch with urban issues and people (especially blacks and latinos).


Is this assumption wrong for most Republicans?
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how funny it is that a republican might think he knows anything about growing up poor and black, because we all know that republicans aren't in touch with urban issues and people, right?


I think the mirth and laughter were a result of the blatant attempt by Mr. Steele to, what did he say... "uptick our image." He is trying to win a demographic that his party doesn't even pay lip service to, much less cares about, while his party right now is doing their best to cut out any sort of a stimulus that would directly enhance the situations of most blacks and Latinos.

I think it's seen as what it is; an "oh crap, people don't vote for us, how can we pretend to care about these folks to get their votes?" It could be that Michael Steele does care, personally. But the Republican party as a whole does not.

Granted, you could argue the Dems don't care either, but that's not the topic at hand.
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It's a blatant marketing campaign. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but it just... clinks.

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#34 Feb 19 2009 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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It's a blatant marketing campaign. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but it just... clinks.

For some reason it reminds me of this.

"Hey, let's make the Republican party cool for kids! We'll call it GOP-gurt!"

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gbaji wrote:
[People assume that Republicans aren't in touch with urban issues and people (especially blacks and latinos).


Is this assumption wrong for most Republicans?


Isn't it? Want to compare the number of multi-generation wealthy white people at the top of the Democrat party to the Republican party? The Democrats started courting poor non-white people in the 60s. Republicans were running non-white candidates almost a century beforehand.

Is it that Republicans are "out of touch", or that Republicans don't have an agenda that includes entitlement programs for poor non-white people? Ever consider that it's not the average guy on the street that Republicans don't match up with, but the people running the political groups who represent them? And how good of a job have they done in the last 50 years?


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He is trying to win a demographic that his party doesn't even pay lip service to, much less cares about, while his party right now is doing their best to cut out any sort of a stimulus that would directly enhance the situations of most blacks and Latinos.


Republicans believe that entitlement equates to slavery over time. And if you look at the groups who've been the recipients of the most entitlement spending over the last 50 years, their position is well founded. I wouldn't equate that with "not caring about" those groups. We just don't think that the agenda the Dems have laid out for those minority groups is really a good idea.

Disagree if you wish, but don't assume motives on our part.

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Granted, you could argue the Dems don't care either, but that's not the topic at hand.


I think most people misstate the issue entirely...
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gbaji wrote:
The Democrats started courting poor non-white people in the 60s. Republicans were running non-white candidates almost a century beforehand.
Yeah, yeah, "Party of Lincoln" and all that. Unfortunately, that was well over a hundred years ago and, more recently, it's been the "Party of the Southern Strategy". Guess which one has more effect in today's modern politics?
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gbaji wrote:
The Democrats started courting poor non-white people in the 60s. Republicans were running non-white candidates almost a century beforehand.
Yeah, yeah, "Party of Lincoln" and all that. Unfortunately, that was well over a hundred years ago and, more recently, it's been the "Party of the Southern Strategy". Guess which one has more effect in today's modern politics?


We're the "party that doesn't hand out entitlements because of people's skin color". Funny thing. Back in Lincoln's day, we were the party that tried not to treat people differently because of the color of their skin. Today, we're the party that tries not to treat people differently because of the color of their skin. We didn't change.

What changed is that Democrats switched from being the party that oppressed blacks via Jim Crow and Segregation, to the party that oppresses black people by trapping them into entitlement programs. They used to prevent black people from voting against them by scaring them away from the polls. Now they do it by making them afraid of losing their government payouts. Different strategy. Same disdain...
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We're the "party that doesn't hand out entitlements because of people's skin color". Funny thing. Back in Lincoln's day, we were the party that tried not to treat people differently because of the color of their skin. Today, we're the party that tries not to treat people differently because of the color of their skin. We didn't change.

What changed is that Democrats switched from being the party that oppressed blacks via Jim Crow and Segregation, to the party that oppresses black people by trapping them into entitlement programs. They used to prevent black people from voting against them by scaring them away from the polls. Now they do it by making them afraid of losing their government payouts. Different strategy. Same disdain...
That's good. Sell that line Smiley: laugh
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#41REDACTED, Posted: Feb 19 2009 at 6:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) GOP house leadership = a ****** trying to f*ck a doorknob.
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GOP house leadership = a ****** trying to f*ck a doorknob.

Well at least we have a man who knows how to speak the language of "the people". You know those populous urban centers riddled with crime and poverty that overwhelmingly supported the democrats and President Obama. And we have to go along with what the masses want; whatever that may be at the time. Not to worry I'm sure those of us who have been responsible mortgage paying tax paying citizens the last decade won't suffer too much of the burden. I look forward to are return to a time where the mortgage industries are forced to only loan to those employeed at the same job 5yrs, 1000 credit score, and 30% down.
C'mon Varrus, you know this has you excited. Notorious G.O.P. is in the HHIIZZZOOUUSSSEEE!!!!! Yo, yo, yo Welfare moms and Crack-Daddies, we're the whack new PAH-TAY that wants YOU to come bust some phat votes for us! You've had the *** but now it's time to ride somethin' as thick as an elephant's dick.

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Gbaji, you might want to ask how minority voters in Steele's home state feel about him.

The two most common comments I heard around here in Baltimore, was Oreo and Uncle Tom. Having read Uncle Tom's Cabin, I think comparing the character Stowe, based on a Slaved that live In Montgomery Co. Maryland to Steele, an insult.

Wish I could pretend that , Maryland's other well known Minority Repug wasn't Keyes. I can't even wish him on Illinois, Since it's my home state.
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#44gbaji, Posted: Feb 19 2009 at 7:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I find the fact that the epithet "Uncle Tom" is applied to black people who choose to follow their own path regardless of their skin color by black people who toe the political line by forming into groups based on their skin color to be more than just insulting. It's probably the highest irony present on our political landscape today. The idea that someone who thinks the way to make things "better" for black people is for them to all line up and demand better food, clothing, and housing from their mastergovernment would call someone who doesn't an "Uncle Tom" is laughable...
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Gbaji's master plan is apparently to keep refering to blacks as slaves and the Democratic Party as slave-owners. I'm sure this tactic would do wonders to help the GOP. Steele should offer you a job Smiley: laugh
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I look forward to are return to a time where the mortgage industries are forced to only loan to those employeed at the same job 5yrs, 1000 credit score, and 30% down.

I want you to guess what is wrong with this sentence.

Edited, Feb 19th 2009 9:46pm by Allegory
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Jophiel wrote:
Gbaji's master plan is apparently to keep refering to blacks as slaves and the Democratic Party as slave-owners.


The parallels are there already Joph. I'm just pointing them out. Playing on the fear of an unknown and unsure future if black people don't continue to support a policy of racially targeted entitlement is what allows Democrats to consistently pick up 90% or more of the black vote.

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I'm sure this tactic would do wonders to help the GOP. Steele should offer you a job


It really would. I think Republicans are often too scared to say the straight truth. As a result we end up often trying to argue our positions by first adopting politically correct liberal assumptions which create an innately uneven playing field. We're so afraid of the initial backlash when we present a viewpoint that challenges hard-held assumptions that we allow those assumptions to continue and get more entrenched in the public awareness.

The response I'm getting in this thread should be an indicator. The automatic initial assumption is that Republican policies are bad for minorities and Democrat policies are good, with the further assumption that Republicans don't care about minorities while Democrats do. It's hard to challenge those assumptions when everything you say is going to be interpreted by people who already hold them, but at some point, someone has to...

Edited, Feb 19th 2009 7:52pm by gbaji
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gbaji wrote:
Republicans were running non-white candidates almost a century beforehand.


Who was that?

I have a feeling this is going to turn out to be a Reconstruction manipulation.


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Samira wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Republicans were running non-white candidates almost a century beforehand.


Who was that?

I have a feeling this is going to turn out to be a Reconstruction manipulation.




It was reconstruction. There have been three black republican senators, two in reconstruction era and one, Edward Brooke--from Massachusetts from the 60s. He is very much a republican in the William Cohen tradition-i.e. RINO.There has been 20 African American congressmen during reconstruction era. Three in the Modern era.
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gbaji wrote:
the further assumption that Republicans don't care about minorities while Democrats do.
I'd worry less about crying about Democrats and worry more about why those assumptions exist. It's not because evil liberals put them there although I'm sure that's what you'll blame it on.

It's not a problem you'll fix with an off the hook hip-hop ad campaign.
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#51 Feb 19 2009 at 9:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's not a problem you'll fix with an off the hook hip-hop ad campaign.


If only they could have found a way to "entitle" the residents of New Orleans with Bus Rides out of the City before the levys broke...

Hindsight 20/20, etc...

Edited, Feb 20th 2009 12:56am by Omegavegeta
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