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For years the Left equated Bush to a chimp, even posted pictures of the man with a chimpy expression, yet now, with a black man in the Oval Office comparisons to primates is verboten?!?
What hypocrisy.
RACK the New York Post for sticking to its' guns and using a current event as political satire.
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Why did I immediately think, "because of the old "porch monkey" saying?"
I'm not the only one.
Also, I don't recall any political cartoons from a major paper that showed someone/something equated with W shot dead & full of holes.
It should be noted, however, that I don't have a problem with this cartoon at all.
It's a cartoon.
I doubt Obama himself cares, but he may use this to his advantage regardless.
It's easier to get people on your side when you're sitting at 60%+ Approval ratings.
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Civil rights activist Al Sharpton called the cartoon "troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys."
I'm not the only one.
Also, I don't recall any political cartoons from a major paper that showed someone/something equated with W shot dead & full of holes.
It should be noted, however, that I don't have a problem with this cartoon at all.
It's a cartoon.
I doubt Obama himself cares, but he may use this to his advantage regardless.
It's easier to get people on your side when you're sitting at 60%+ Approval ratings.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
What's the link between that dead monkey and Obama?
It's a cartoon, but not a very good one imo. Not to be verboten ofcourse, although the author might have to work on his sense of humour or sarcasm or satire.
It's a cartoon, but not a very good one imo. Not to be verboten ofcourse, although the author might have to work on his sense of humour or sarcasm or satire.
Article wrote:
at its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Most provocatively, it compares the president to a rabid chimp. Either way, the incorporation of violence and (on a darker level) race into politics is bound to be controversial."
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Omegavegeta wrote:
Article wrote:
at its most benign, the cartoon suggests that the stimulus bill was so bad, monkeys may as well have written it. Most provocatively, it compares the president to a rabid chimp. Either way, the incorporation of violence and (on a darker level) race into politics is bound to be controversial."
Aah my mistake! Well that explains it I suppose
Edited, Feb 19th 2009 12:46pm by Zieveraar
"Also, I don't recall any political cartoons from a major paper that showed someone/something equated with W shot dead & full of holes." --Omega
So just to be clear, it wasn't that Obama was portrayed as a chimp, but a dead chimp??? Showing ex-prez Bush as a chimp is fine because he wasn't shot full of bullet holes, but had he been, then that'd have crossed the line.
That makes no sense at all.
Totem
So just to be clear, it wasn't that Obama was portrayed as a chimp, but a dead chimp??? Showing ex-prez Bush as a chimp is fine because he wasn't shot full of bullet holes, but had he been, then that'd have crossed the line.
That makes no sense at all.
Totem
Folks ***** about stuff. I took the "The bill looks like it was written by a crazy monkey" view when I saw the cartoon, myself.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I didn't understand the point of the cartoon until I read the article. When I first saw it, I thought someone had miswritten the diagloue, because it made no sense to me. I understood it was about the crazy chimp in CT, but what the hell did a violent chimp have to do with the stimulus bill (I actually thought there might have been some pork in the stimulus bill about chimps, haha)? It's a pretty crappy cartoon overall, but not a racist one.
Edited, Feb 19th 2009 9:10am by LockeColeMA
Edited, Feb 19th 2009 9:10am by LockeColeMA
I just googled the cartoonist, Sean Delonas.
http://images.google.com/images?q=Sean%20Delonas
Apparently his career is made of unfunny political cartoons. Particularly homophobic ones.
Gawker put together some of them for us: http://gawker.com/5155855/ten-cartoons-from-sean-delonas
Not surprising then that he draws for the Post. A newspaper where critical thought and reason goes to die.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Totem wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29263781/
For years the Left equated Bush to a chimp, even posted pictures of the man with a chimpy expression, yet now, with a black man in the Oval Office comparisons to primates is verboten?!?
What hypocrisy.
RACK the New York Post for sticking to its' guns and using a current event as political satire.
Totem
For years the Left equated Bush to a chimp, even posted pictures of the man with a chimpy expression, yet now, with a black man in the Oval Office comparisons to primates is verboten?!?
What hypocrisy.
RACK the New York Post for sticking to its' guns and using a current event as political satire.
Totem
Clearly the cartoon is making a whole bunch of insinuations. But mostly, it's just dumb. Is it a satire about the NYPD unnecessarily shooting a chimp, about passing a stimulus bill, or about Obama being black? It's all over the place, and completely lacking in humor.
Who cares if the New York post wants to publish it. It's not likely to help their reputation.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
trickybeck wrote:
I just googled the cartoonist, Sean Delonas.
http://images.google.com/images?q=Sean%20Delonas
Apparently his career is made of unfunny political cartoons. Particularly homophobic ones.
Gawker put together some of them for us: http://gawker.com/5155855/ten-cartoons-from-sean-delonas
Actually, there are some in that list Gawker gives that are rather funny. A lot more funny than that chimp one, although that's not hard to do.
Totem wrote:
So just to be clear, it wasn't that Obama was portrayed as a chimp, but a dead chimp??? Showing ex-prez Bush as a chimp is fine because he wasn't shot full of bullet holes, but had he been, then that'd have crossed the line.
I don't think this comic crosses any sort of line, but you don't see the difference between depicting a political figure as incompetent and depicting a political figure as dead?
Elinda wrote:
Sharpton rants now = liberal outrage?
Ha, good point. Totem, the troller, got trolled by Sharpton.
Hey guys, just thought you'd all like to know that chimpanzees are great apes, not monkeys.
Also, what Joph said (only "crazy ape" not "crazy monkey" because chimps are apes, not monkeys).
Edited, Feb 19th 2009 12:11pm by Kavekk
Also, what Joph said (only "crazy ape" not "crazy monkey" because chimps are apes, not monkeys).
Edited, Feb 19th 2009 12:11pm by Kavekk
Zieveraar wrote:
Actually, there are some in that list Gawker gives that are rather funny. A lot more funny than that chimp one, although that's not hard to do.
The only ones that I see with any wit are the pregnant transgendered guy (a cartoon which he flipped horizontally, retouched, and reused 2 months later), and the Liza Minelli-David Gest cartoon, in which he tramples over any notion of his sympathy to gay rights by using his recurring shtick of a prancing leg to denote gayness.
ETA:
I'm more offended by his crimes against humor than his crimes against taste.
Edited, Feb 19th 2009 11:19am by trickybeck
I saw Bush depicted more often as the guy from Mad Magazine (Alfred P Newman or something) than I did him as a chimp.
The only potrayals of him as a chimp that stuck with me, however, were the photographs in which he was pursing his lips in a very chimpanzee-like manner.
The only potrayals of him as a chimp that stuck with me, however, were the photographs in which he was pursing his lips in a very chimpanzee-like manner.
Kavekk wrote:
Hey guys, just thought you'd all like to know that chimpanzees are great apes, not monkeys.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Folks ***** about stuff. I took the "The bill looks like it was written by a crazy monkey" view when I saw the cartoon, myself.
Yeah. I'm not sure how someone gets Obama into that at all. Unless they really really want to...
Walking on water is one thing, but he didn't write the stimulus bill. It was clearly a reference to Congress as a whole, a reference to the whole "million monkeys banging on typewriters to make Shakespeare", and to the recent shooting of the Chimp that went nuts and had to be shot.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Jophiel wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
Hey guys, just thought you'd all like to know that chimpanzees are great apes, not monkeys.
Well, they didn't rip off your face. Does that count?
trickybeck wrote:
Zieveraar wrote:
Actually, there are some in that list Gawker gives that are rather funny. A lot more funny than that chimp one, although that's not hard to do.
The only ones that I see with any wit are the pregnant transgendered guy (a cartoon which he flipped horizontally, retouched, and reused 2 months later), and the Liza Minelli-David Gest cartoon, in which he tramples over any notion of his sympathy to gay rights by using his recurring shtick of a prancing leg to denote gayness.
ETA:
I'm more offended by his crimes against humor than his crimes against taste.
Edited, Feb 19th 2009 11:19am by trickybeck
Those two aren't bad, I also liked the one about wives cheating and the one about the marriage licenses. But then I always liked sheep.
The other six are either stupid or indeed not humorous at all. That Heather Mills one for instance is both. I suppose it might have something to do with the expression 'costing an arm and a leg'? Just not funny at all.
Some find this cartoon offensive. I find it stupid, but I do consider it a cartoon myself. Short, clear and expressing a point of view shared by a heck of a lot of people. (not me personally though)
Being offensive is at times a good quality too, it'll give it a lot more attention.
Folks ***** about stuff. I took the "The bill looks like it was written by a crazy monkey" view when I saw the cartoon, myself.
Me, too. If this was an attempt at race baiting, it was far too subtle. Nor would it make any sense. Obama's not the author of the Stimulus, although to be fair, most NYP readers probably think he is.
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Hey guys, just thought you'd all like to know that chimpanzees are great apes, not monkeys.
[True Strike]. Humans are also great apes. All humans bear some resemblance to chimps, some just more so than others. The only thing that came to my mind when I saw this cartoon was, I sure do miss Gary Larson. That guy was actually funny.
Never regret.To regret is to assume.
I think the most amusing part of this was that it all happened during Black History Month.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Totem wrote:
RACK the New York Post for sticking to its' guns and using a current event as political satire.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Yep. UnRACK 'em for caving on what is the press' responsibility to citizens: Free and unfettered political discourse which includes cartoons which may offend. That goes double for every news outlet that refused to print the Mohammhed with a bomb in his turban cartoon.
In general, if political satire doesn't offend then the artist isn't doing his job.
Totem
Edited, Feb 20th 2009 5:58am by Totem
In general, if political satire doesn't offend then the artist isn't doing his job.
Totem
Edited, Feb 20th 2009 5:58am by Totem
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