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#1 Feb 17 2009 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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An article printed in the Cleveland Plain Dealer by columnist Phillip Morris some spurred debate about the continued usefulness of Black History Month (February).

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Just how many more decades of racially segregated Februaries dedicated to remembering an imperfect nation must we commemorate? Just how much longer will we allow the shortest month to divide rather than unite?

When will we have reached the point where black history will simply be recognized as American history? And why can't African-Americans lead the charge to make February the most introspective month of the year - a time for comprehensive reflection upon a shared history?


A Chicago columnist argues:

Mary Mitchell wrote:

the time taken out during 28 days each year to observe black history, as President Obama put it in his proclamation, "is a chance to examine the evolution of our country and how African Americans helped draw us ever closer to becoming a more perfect union."

And the snippets of black high achievers served up by newspapers and broadcasts in February may give the offspring of hardened bigots a different perspective on what it means to be black in America.


What do you think?

Do you agree that Black History Month be abolished?
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Agree:14 (21.2%)
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Disagree:12 (18.2%)
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#2 Feb 17 2009 at 6:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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I disagree. Unless things have radically changed, it was about the only time any time was spent in school learning about the achievements of African-Americans in our nation's history. And it wasn't as though we spent 28 days learning about it; it was more like one or two days of discussion about history and race relations and the like. I wouldn't weep if it went away but I see some good in it and no harm from it aside from that which people manufacture for themselves.

Would we be able to take those couple days and teach them anyway? Of course. But then, if we're going to have the same couple of days in April, what real harm is the title causing in February?
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#3 Feb 17 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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The longer we uphold any indication that there's a difference between the races, the longer it will be until there is no difference.

Black History Month essentially celebrates any achievement by an African American, solely based on the fact that he is African American. Obviously some celebratories such as King and whatnot have valuable historical significance. (Incidentally, I'd be all for a "Civil Rights Month.")

But year after year, Black History Month digs deeper and deeper into the obscure accomplishments of little-known people, and applauds them as significant based only on race.

I have the utmost respect for the accomplishments and precedents achieved by the people who have brought about current equal rights scenario in our country. I get misty eyed when I hear Reverend King's powerful voice, on a scratchy old recording, pounding home his message to a throng of enthused followers. I cried like an idiot when Obama was sworn in.

I don't need the lesser deeds of relative nobodies mucking that image up. Smiley: nod
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The longer we uphold any indication that there's a difference between the races, the longer it will be until there is no difference.
There is a difference. The black ones from Africa, almost entirely, were yoinked from their homes, taken here in chains and made to work as slaves for most of our colonial history and nearly the first half of our national history. Justified on the basis of their skin color. The effects of which are still deeply felt in American culture and politics.

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 8:47am by Jophiel
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#5 Feb 17 2009 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
Black history month to me is not so different than the large group of black students who sat together at lunch in high school, despite the fact that there was animosity between several of them and several of their friends may have been white/hispanic/etc...

It's needless segregation and makes an issue of something that really should no longer be an issue. I have no problem with advocates for diversity in history education. I just don't see the need to dedicate a whole month to it any more.
#6 Feb 17 2009 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
The longer we uphold any indication that there's a difference between the races, the longer it will be until there is no difference.
There is a difference. The black ones from Africa, almost entirely, were yoinked from their homes, taken here in chains and made to work as slaves for most of our colonial history and nearly the first half of our national history. Justified on the basis of their skin color. The effects of which are still deeply felt in American culture and politics.

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 8:47am by Jophiel
Yes, let's just keep apologizing for the actions of our jackass ancestors indefinitely. That should lead to social progress. Maybe one day, a black man could even be pres....OWAIT.
#7 Feb 17 2009 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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We could replace Black History Month with the proposed Jackson Brother's Rock n'Slave Amusement Park??


edit - oops, I confused the Osmonds with the Jacksons..lawl.

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 3:53pm by Elinda
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Yes, let's just keep apologizing for the actions of our jackass ancestors indefinitely. That should lead to social progress. Maybe one day, a black man could even be pres....OWAIT.
Who's apologizing? It's a simple matter of fact that the white colonists/early Americans & blacks have had very different American experiences. Black History Month is a time to spend a couple days on the latter instead of the former.

For the amount of time we waste on American mythology involving cherry trees, log cabins and midnight rides, I don't think the annual token mention of George Washington Carver is all that detrimental.
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Jophiel wrote:
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Yes, let's just keep apologizing for the actions of our jackass ancestors indefinitely. That should lead to social progress. Maybe one day, a black man could even be pres....OWAIT.
Who's apologizing? It's a simple matter of fact that the white colonists/early Americans & blacks have had very different American experiences. Black History Month is a time to spend a couple days on the latter instead of the former.

For the amount of time we waste on American mythology involving cherry trees, log cabins and midnight rides, I don't think the annual token mention of George Washington Carver is all that detrimental.
That's just it though: we already do learn about the movers and shakers of "Black History." And not necessarily only in February. When we learn about the whole slavery/Civil War era, we learn about Dred Scott, about Harriet Tubman. When we study the Civil Rights movement, we learn about Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, MLK. The important African American figures of our history are already incorporated into our base knowledge. Black History Month just dredges up any obscure figure, aside from the truly notables, and heralds them as significant.
#10 Feb 17 2009 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
I think Black history is good. History is not objective, it's always a story told from someone's point of view. Usually the victor, or the dominant class. Black History supposedly teaches history from a different point of view. Surely, that can only be a good thing. Even with regards to slavery, the way it is taught is never from the slave's point of view, but from the traders point of view. Or the slave owner. Or the government. But History is rarely taught from the point of view of the slave, of the conquered, of the oppressed.

So yeah, I think it's good.
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Even with regards to slavery, the way it is taught is never from the slave's point of view
It totally is.
#12 Feb 17 2009 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
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Even with regards to slavery, the way it is taught is never from the slave's point of view
It totally is.


Really? You learnt about people living in Africa, and the reason why their tribes were the ones that were enslaved? You learn about why how some African tribes colluded with white traders to enslave other tribes? You learnt about the internal African conflicts that led to this situation? You learn about the everyday life of the slave, the work, the rapes, the murders, and the moral and religious justifications for these?

Maybe you do. In Europe, though, we don't until University. High school slavery is all about the trade routes and the plantation owners, and how slavery was quickly abolished. Maybe it's different in the US, though.
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Black History Month just dredges up any obscure figure, aside from the truly notables, and heralds them as significant.
This wasn't my school experience but perhaps it was yours. The only time I learned about third-string black historical figures was in 20 second PSA's in my afternoon television during Black History Month.
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Really? You learnt about people living in Africa, and the reason why their tribes were the ones that were enslaved?
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Maybe you do. In Europe, though, we don't until University.
In high school, "slavery" was mainly "Triangular trade route", "Cause of the Civil War" and... ummm.... that they existed and being a slave sucked.

On the other hand, it was very rare that there was enough time to get from 1492 to 1942 even without stopping for a three day dissertation on that slave trade.

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 9:18am by Jophiel
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I don't know how it is anywhere else, but during Black History Month in my school, in England, I, and every other non-black person, learned nothing about history.

There was an assembly in which only black kids were invited, if you weren't black, you weren't allowed in. This included the albino kid (Whos parents were both black.) because he didn't look black enough.

Personally, I agree with AshOnMyTomatoes - continuing Black History Month just separates us every year. There is a difference, but I believe the idea of the world today is that race and sex does not matter. Why continue categorizing and segregating people?
#15 Feb 17 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
Black history month just reminds me every year that there isn't a Gay history month.


And that's only partially a joke.
#16 Feb 17 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
Jophiel wrote:
On the other hand, it was very rare that there was enough time to get from 1492 to 1942 even without stopping for a three day dissertation on that slave trade.


Well, at least your History only goes back to 1492 (though I'm sure the meaty part starts in 1776). Ours starts in Roman times. You know, when we got invaded.

We really should have seen the start of a pattern there...
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#17 Feb 17 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Default
So when is irish immigrant month? Considering most poor irish immigrants were abused far more than african slaves I think we deserve one. Unless of course you're basing the qualifications for having our public school systems focus on a particular class of people be based solely on race.

At least african-slaves were seen to have some value.


p.s. the white slave traders rarely came onto the african shores for fear of disease. To solve this black african traders boated the slaves to the white europeans.
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Honestly, I have no idea how you manage. The typical university breakdown for intro classes is American History 1492-1860 and 1860-Present with the Civil War being the dividing point and there's a push to break the second half into 1860-1942 and 1942-Present. But in grades 6-12, there seemed to be the idea that each year we need to learn US history from the start which meant that you learned a shitload about Columbus and pilgrims and had no idea that there was a Korean War.
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So when is irish immigrant month? Considering most poor irish immigrants were abused far more than african slaves I think we deserve one.
So write a letter. I honestly wouldn't care if each racial/ethnic group got its own week.

"Third week of April? It's California-Cantonese Week! Let's learn about railroads!"

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But History is rarely taught from the point of view of the slave, of the conquered, of the oppressed.


Particularly when said slaves were forbidden to learn how to read and write in most places.

Makes keeping that diary a little harder.

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I learned about some dude named Louis Riel and to this day, I have no idea why.
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#22 Feb 17 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Default
Despite all your ramblings that doesn't negate the fact the the irish fleeing ireland because of the potato famine were treated far worse than african slaves.

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Despite all your ramblings that doesn't negate the fact the the irish fleeing ireland because of the potato famine were treated far worse than african slaves.
Ok, fine. I disagree but I don't care. And your point is?

Seriously, if you think you need a holiday or an education week or whatever, get on the stick and be pro-active about it. I'd hate to think that you were just impotently babbling in order to cry about Black History Month under the pretense of giving a shit about the Irish.
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Black history month just reminds me every year that there isn't a Gay history month.


And that's only partially a joke.
There's Gay Pride Day.

Which reminds me of a really funny story...

I used to work at Six Flags St. Louis when I was younger. I operated the Colossus, an 18 story Ferris wheel. It was probably my favorite part time job ever.

Anyway, all Six Flags employees knew about the existence of Gay Pride Day, and most dreaded it. An extremely large amount of homosexuals flooded the park. Stories of gays being all gay ran rampant.

I, of course, bore the brunt of the gay swarm. The Colossus is the most romantic ride in the park. For the most part, everything was completely normal. There were definitely some blatantly gay people in the crowd, but everyone was convivial. My fellow crew members shot each other some sheepish smirks behind the retreating backs of gay couples, exiting down the ramp.

Then came the night.

The sun was just setting, when a large group of gay men boarded one of the gondolas. I was driving the ride, so I didn't get a close look at them.

A short while later, the ride was over, and the group disembarked. I finally got a glimpse of them close up.

They were all wearing various bits of Six Flags paraphernalia. But the last man to leave the gondola was wearing a tiny cape on his back that said "Wonder Woman."

I chuckled.

Then he leapt through the gondola door, yelled "I'm a princess (printheth)," and scurried down the exit ramp, limp-wristed arms akimbo.

I didn't know such a caricature truly existed outside the TV.

I literally died laughing.

The end.
#25 Feb 17 2009 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
there's a push to break the second half into 1860-1942 and 1942-Present


I'd love to see this happen. I didn't get a clear picture of 1873 Panic until I was in college - I'd read about it, here and there, but with basically no context.
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Nobody ever has, or ever will, cared about the Irish. Now shut the fuck up.
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