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#152 Feb 17 2009 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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Except for a few allafemes Tricky and Joph, most of you fail on trying to defend your views of how pet or humans are of greater value.
Fortunately, no one here has argued that pets are of greater value than humans.

And then there's times when semantics aren't important, when the general implication is easily understood.



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#153 Feb 17 2009 at 10:21 PM Rating: Default
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Really? Cos it seemed like she actually totally missed the meaning. Semantics are dispensable when you get the meaning with different words, not when you have a different meaning with different words.
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#154 Feb 17 2009 at 10:29 PM Rating: Decent
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No, I'm saying it was easy by any reasonable person to see that she meant to say "the value of one versus the other," despite your petulant objection to the wording.


She's not the clearest typist in the world, to me the correct general intent was there and the point not worth belaboring.



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#155 Feb 17 2009 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
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And actually, to add to that:

There were people in here arguing that the value of animals is greater than humans. Not all animals over all humans, but specific animals (the ones they own) over specific humans (the ones they don't know).

So nyah nyah.

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#156 Feb 17 2009 at 10:44 PM Rating: Good
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Haha, I have angered the chimp populace:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/02/17/2009-02-17_911_tape_captures_chimpanzee_owners_horr.html
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The chilling screams of a crazed chimp mauling a Connecticut woman were captured on a 911 tape - along with the animal's owner begging, "Send police with guns!"

The 15-minute recording captures the bizarre horror of Monday's attack, which left a 55-year-old woman critically injured and the 200-pound ape dead in a hail of police gunfire.

"Hurry, please! He ripped her face off," the ape's frantic owner, Sandy Herold, 70, is heard telling the dispatcher on the tapes released last night.

"Listen to me, you have to shoot him."


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#157 Feb 18 2009 at 2:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm. Ok. Let's say that, for whatever reason, every time your dog gets close to your kid, whether you're holding your kid or whatever, your dog snaps and tries to bite it. Let's say it's jealous, let's say it's pissed, let's say it thinks your kid is prey since it's smaller than he is. But no matter what you do, it still snaps at your kid.

So, which do you choose?



/scoff


If you are opting for an hypothetical circumstance, I implore you to consider more practicability.

Face the obviousness of the truth, Katie will never have to choose between a child and a dog.
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#158 Feb 18 2009 at 4:24 AM Rating: Default
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Except for a few allafemes Tricky and Joph, most of you fail on trying to defend your views of how pet or humans are of greater value.


Trickybeck did not attempt to defend their views. Your post perplexes me.
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#159 Feb 18 2009 at 4:39 AM Rating: Default
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There were people in here arguing that the value of animals is greater than humans. Not all animals over all humans, but specific animals (the ones they own) over specific humans (the ones they don't know).


And that's the exact semantic objection that I was calling into question. There is a huge difference between generalizing the value of some species and recognizing that the values of individual creatures are relative. If you or elne fail to recognize the importance of that, then it's anything but petulance on my part to correct your woefully misinformed perspective.

In conclusion, Nyah Nyah yourself.
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#160 Feb 18 2009 at 5:12 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't read all of this. I'm just posting because it's at 4 pages now, and this seemed like a good spot to jump in.
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#161 Feb 18 2009 at 6:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
I didn't read all of this. I'm just posting because it's at 4 pages now, and this seemed like a good spot to jump in.

I'll summarize: a surprising number of Asylum posters are selfish looney toons who are easily suckered by pavlovian responses.

And now I'm done.

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#162 Feb 18 2009 at 6:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Which one's Bugs? Better yet, who's Daffy?
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#163 Feb 18 2009 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Or maybe you should not make everyone of your posts a Logic 101 homework assignment, as it almost never applies to RL.


Look, you got served. Accept it, move on and stop tugging at my trouser legs like an attention-starved infant.
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#164 Feb 18 2009 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is one of the weirder conversations I've read here. That includes the Pokemon threads on the OOT.
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#165 Feb 18 2009 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
I didn't read all of this. I'm just posting because it's at 4 pages now, and this seemed like a good spot to jump in.

I'll summarize: a surprising number of Asylum posters are selfish looney toons who are easily suckered by pavlovian responses.

And now I'm done.



Tricky you are a far better word smith then I will ever be. Trying to write a clear sentence in elnese that the masses can translate into English isn't easy. You now join Nexa as one of the few who can translate elnese rantings.
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#166 Feb 18 2009 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fortunately, no one here has argued that pets are of greater value than humans.


Not true, sadly.

It has been said in this thead, I forget by whom, that given the choice to shoot their pet or some "random twit they had never met," they would shoot the human and let their cat live.

Was it TurinAlexander? That sounds right, but I get him confused with Tirithrr a lot.
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#167 Feb 18 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, you served me well, just like the slave you asked to be. Next time though, don't hang around drooling after doing my bidding.


Your attempt to backpedal is futile but entertaining. Please go on.
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#168 Feb 18 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, it was me. I happen to value the life my cat more than the life of some random person off the street that I've never met. This is because I don't put any special emphasis on human life as opposed to other forms of life. I mean really, there are over six billion of us and climbing, it stopped be special a long time ago. I put the value on the relationship I have with a particular life form, not the form that life takes.
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#169 Feb 18 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, it was me. I happen to value the life my cat more than the life of some random person off the street that I've never met. This is because I don't put any special emphasis on human life as opposed to other forms of life. I mean really, there are over six billion of us and climbing, it stopped be special a long time ago. I put the value on the relationship I have with a particular life form, not the form that life takes.


Which is rather sad and pathetic, in my opinion.
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#170 Feb 18 2009 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, it was me. I happen to value the life my cat more than the life of some random person off the street that I've never met. This is because I don't put any special emphasis on human life as opposed to other forms of life. I mean really, there are over six billion of us and climbing, it stopped be special a long time ago. I put the value on the relationship I have with a particular life form, not the form that life takes.


Which is rather sad and pathetic, in my opinion.


Luckily, I don't give a damn about your opinion.
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#171 Feb 18 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
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TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
Yes, it was me. I happen to value the life my cat more than the life of some random person off the street that I've never met. This is because I don't put any special emphasis on human life as opposed to other forms of life. I mean really, there are over six billion of us and climbing, it stopped be special a long time ago. I put the value on the relationship I have with a particular life form, not the form that life takes.


Which is rather sad and pathetic, in my opinion.


Luckily, I don't give a damn about your opinion.


Hopefully the life one of my loved ones is never on the line when you are forced to either uproot a plant you've had for years or shoot my mother. Smiley: rolleyes
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#172 Feb 18 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
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TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
Yes, it was me. I happen to value the life my cat more than the life of some random person off the street that I've never met. This is because I don't put any special emphasis on human life as opposed to other forms of life. I mean really, there are over six billion of us and climbing, it stopped be special a long time ago. I put the value on the relationship I have with a particular life form, not the form that life takes.


Which is rather sad and pathetic, in my opinion.


Luckily, I don't give a damn about your opinion.
Do you care about your cat's opinion. That cat relationship that you value so highly....any idea if the cat puts the same value on it?




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#173 Feb 18 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
Yes, it was me. I happen to value the life my cat more than the life of some random person off the street that I've never met. This is because I don't put any special emphasis on human life as opposed to other forms of life. I mean really, there are over six billion of us and climbing, it stopped be special a long time ago. I put the value on the relationship I have with a particular life form, not the form that life takes.


Which is rather sad and pathetic, in my opinion.


Luckily, I don't give a damn about your opinion.
Do you care about your cat's opinion. That cat relationship that you value so highly....any idea if the cat puts the same value on it?


I'm fairly certain that my cat doesn't have the mental faculties to form an opinion. I'm sure she sees me as nothing more than a source of food and entertainment and comfort. That doesn't mean that I can't value the cat more than she's capable of valuing me.
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#174 Feb 18 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I value my cats more than I value every last one of you people.


Hmmph.
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#175 Feb 18 2009 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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I value my cats more than I value every last one of you people.


Hmmph.
I value my coffee pot more too. It brings me much satisfaction and joy. I love the way it gurgles when it's brewing up those last few drops of java goodness. It provides me with more value than random stranger #1. That doesn't mean I'd ever choose, or should even be allowed to choose, to put the welfare of my coffee pot above that of another human being. My opinion of that human being, in respect to my opinion of the coffee pot, is irrelevant.
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#176 Feb 18 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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The problem with conversation is that most of you are still hung up on the human life is sacred nonsense. Humans are no more special than ants in the grand scheme of things. Sure we are smarter and our construction projects are more impressive, but in the end we are much the same. We are born, we live, we die, we rot. The next generation comes along and does it all again. The only value you should place on any life is in it's direct impact on you.

Edited, Feb 18th 2009 12:29pm by TurinAlexander
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