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#27 Feb 11 2009 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lesbian harems.

I just blew the feminist/gay/bi/tran movements' minds.

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#28 Feb 11 2009 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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I went with no because I don't want to have to facepalm when I see "President Insertlastnamehere Institutes Government Tax Breaks for Parents Electing to have Y-Sex Child." because people are having way too many boys or girls.
#29 Feb 11 2009 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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It sounds kinda unnatural. I think it's tolerable as a medical procedure rather than a cosmetic one.
#30 Feb 11 2009 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
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Wait, why do girls cost more?


Not everyone agrees that they do.

The theory is that girls need more clothes, and generally demand nicer clothes, plus accessories and so on. I'm not sure the difference is all that huge, at least until high school. Okay, middle school.



Also, to pay for all the abortions when the little hussies get knocked up. Smiley: nod
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#31 Feb 11 2009 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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This is like Gattica, just 20 years early.

I object to this on a gut level - The idea of messing around with an unborn person seems unwise - do humans really have that level of intelligence?

On a practical level, if this ability could be expanded, there are obvious benefits to society.

It's a possible cure for cancer, blindness, most genetic diseases, obesity (at least the genetic type - can't do anything about eating too much).

If homosexuality has an actual genetic switch (not trying to start a fight - just asking the question) - does this mean it could be "turned off"? If so, does that qualify as genecide?

The long-term permutations of this make my head hurt.

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#32 Feb 11 2009 at 9:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sex selection is obviously undesirable in societies still getting over their feudal roots. In modern Western countries where female emancipation is well established, I don't see a problem with it.

Barely anyone in the West is going to be biased towards boys because it's the only way to carry on the family "name", the family heritage, the family business, and because having a boy is the only way to guarantee your survival in your old age, or because a male heir is the only way to ensure the survival of your souls after death by keeping a family shrine.

Here children of particular sexes are mostly wanted for sentimental or compatability reasons. And for every prospective daddy that wants a little boy mini-me to wrestle and kick the football with, there's a prospective daddy that thinks little girls are the cutest thing on earth, and want one to wrestle and then take for a shoulder-ride.

I suspect that in Oz, North America and most of Europe if given the choice, overall it would even out to pretty much 50-50. If it didn't even out in any one year, then governments could make adjustments. Take way choice for first children, give small one-off bonuses for the birth of children of the "needed" sex. Things like that.

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 12:02am by Aripyanfar

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 12:02am by Aripyanfar
#33 Feb 11 2009 at 9:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Yossarian wrote:
Wait, why do girls cost more?


Not everyone agrees that they do.

The theory is that girls need more clothes, and generally demand nicer clothes, plus accessories and so on. I'm not sure the difference is all that huge, at least until high school. Okay, middle school.

Don't forget private all-girls school tuition to keep them away from boys. And then there's the wedding, complete with ice sculptures, live swans, and a performance by Sting.

#34 Feb 11 2009 at 11:49 PM Rating: Good
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I said no and I find the thought of selection in the womb somewhat horrifying for all the reasons that Nexa already detailed. Some cultures still need to come into the 21st century ..

If I bore a child, I would not care if it were a boy or girl, athough I would like the opposite for baby no 2.

#35 Feb 12 2009 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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I said no and I find the thought of selection in the womb somewhat horrifying for all the reasons that Nexa already detailed. Some cultures still need to come into the 21st century ..


Wouldn't that be a reason for the opposite?

Rather than abandoning a child because it is the "wrong" sex, they have a child of the other?

The pendulum will eventually swing the other way as one becomes more scarce. Until their society wises us, at least.

Perhaps I just want to muck around in the design process too much.
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#36 Feb 12 2009 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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And then there's the wedding, complete with ice sculptures, live swans, and a performance by Sting.


And only girls get married?

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#37 Feb 12 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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And then there's the wedding, complete with ice sculptures, live swans, and a performance by Sting.


And only girls get married?


Don't a lot of people still follow the father-of-the-bride pays for the wedding tradition?

#38 Feb 12 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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And then there's the wedding, complete with ice sculptures, live swans, and a performance by Sting.


And only girls get married?


Don't a lot of people still follow the father-of-the-bride pays for the wedding tradition?



I've no idea of the statistics (or if there are any), but I don't know anyone personally who had either parent pay for their wedding. I know my mom helped out a lot with my sister's wedding...making invitations and whatnot, but not by outright paying for it. I'm sure that economic class would be the HUGE deciding factor there. I'm sure the girls on "My Super Sweet 16" or whatever get theirs paid for by daddy...but my "guess" would be that it's a decreasing phenomenon nation wide...especially in the current economic climate.

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#39 Feb 12 2009 at 7:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know anyone whose parents paid for the entire wedding. Usually it's shared between the couple and both sets of parents.

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#40 Feb 12 2009 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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I've no idea of the statistics (or if there are any), but I don't know anyone personally who had either parent pay for their wedding. I know my mom helped out a lot with my sister's wedding...making invitations and whatnot, but not by outright paying for it. I'm sure that economic class would be the HUGE deciding factor there. I'm sure the girls on "My Super Sweet 16" or whatever get theirs paid for by daddy...but my "guess" would be that it's a decreasing phenomenon nation wide...especially in the current economic climate.

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We are by no means rich, but my mother had set aside a certain amount of money for my wedding. Which was good, because my husband's family only paid $400 for the flowers and the rest was our responsibility.

Thankfully, I didn't want a big wedding, so it was rather inexpensive, but I'm sure it was at least a couple thousand.
#41 Feb 12 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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You know what really costs more? Hamsters.

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#42 Feb 12 2009 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
but my "guess" would be that it's a decreasing phenomenon nation wide...especially in the current economic climate.

Nexa

Well of course it is, but who knows when the data for this "girls cost more" research came from. And even at a decreased level, aside from the anectodal evidence, it would still be a contributing factor toward the national average.

Edit: forgot to add that the original comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.



Edited, Feb 12th 2009 9:55am by trickybeck
#43 Feb 12 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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You know what really costs more? Hamsters.



No kidding. One case of wet-tail and you have to replace your whole damn habitrail.
#44 Feb 12 2009 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sex selection is obviously undesirable in societies still getting over their feudal roots. In modern Western countries where female emancipation is well established, I don't see a problem with it.

Barely anyone in the West is going to be biased towards boys because it's the only way to carry on the family "name", the family heritage, the family business, and because having a boy is the only way to guarantee your survival in your old age, or because a male heir is the only way to ensure the survival of your souls after death by keeping a family shrine.

Here children of particular sexes are mostly wanted for sentimental or compatability reasons. And for every prospective daddy that wants a little boy mini-me to wrestle and kick the football with, there's a prospective daddy that thinks little girls are the cutest thing on earth, and want one to wrestle and then take for a shoulder-ride.

I suspect that in Oz, North America and most of Europe if given the choice, overall it would even out to pretty much 50-50. If it didn't even out in any one year, then governments could make adjustments. Take way choice for first children, give small one-off bonuses for the birth of children of the "needed" sex. Things like that.

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 12:02am by Aripyanfar

Edited, Feb 12th 2009 12:02am by Aripyanfar
It's much more common in the west than you realize. MUCH more common.
#45 Feb 12 2009 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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trickybeck wrote:
Nexa wrote:
but my "guess" would be that it's a decreasing phenomenon nation wide...especially in the current economic climate.

Nexa

Well of course it is, but who knows when the data for this "girls cost more" research came from. And even at a decreased level, aside from the anectodal evidence, it would still be a contributing factor toward the national average.

My "girls cost more" research came from my checkbook.
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#46 Feb 15 2009 at 10:24 PM Rating: Default
i would get a son and raise him to be a warrior! then i'll take up polygamy and raise a legion of warriors! and build a fort!

but in all seriousness i would pick a son, and get him into wrestling at the age of 5-6 and boxing at the age of 12
#47 Feb 15 2009 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
Sex selection is obviously undesirable in societies still getting over their feudal roots. In modern Western countries where female emancipation is well established, I don't see a problem with it.

Barely anyone in the West is going to be biased towards boys because it's the only way to carry on the family "name", the family heritage, the family business, and because having a boy is the only way to guarantee your survival in your old age, or because a male heir is the only way to ensure the survival of your souls after death by keeping a family shrine.

Here children of particular sexes are mostly wanted for sentimental or compatability reasons. And for every prospective daddy that wants a little boy mini-me to wrestle and kick the football with, there's a prospective daddy that thinks little girls are the cutest thing on earth, and want one to wrestle and then take for a shoulder-ride.

I suspect that in Oz, North America and most of Europe if given the choice, overall it would even out to pretty much 50-50. If it didn't even out in any one year, then governments could make adjustments. Take way choice for first children, give small one-off bonuses for the birth of children of the "needed" sex. Things like that.
It's much more common in the west than you realize. MUCH more common.
Yeah, my perception is very likely to be skewed by having grown up and lived in a "progressive" milieu.

I think give us one or two hundred more years of prosperity, women in the workforce and government, old-age pensions, superannuation, and universal health-care (covering the elderly), and I think sex selection can safely be practised without messing stuff up too badly.
#48 Feb 16 2009 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I voted no, apart from this being bad for balance in society (as a fair few have a preferred gender) I also think it could have an impact on a more local level, like partners disagreeing about what sex (of child) they want or their parents/extended family trying to nudge the prospective parents n a particular direction.

Personally when I have children I won't mind what gender they are as long as they are healthy, even if I had multiples of one gender I wouldn't want the opposite just for something different. I'll be happy when society stops being so focused on what reproductive organs are person has and more on their behaviour towards others.
#49 Feb 16 2009 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default
I would have my child be a bird. That way, when people ask me what I am buying the bird feed for I can reply, "My son of course."

Edited, Feb 16th 2009 10:04pm by Failzor
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