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#1 Feb 11 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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The ability to pre-determine the sex of your child is looming on the horizon. I believe it's currently available if you should be growing a test-tube type baby.

Do you think it's a good idea for child-sex selection to become standard procedure?
Yes:11 (12.0%)
No:54 (58.7%)
It doesn't matter:23 (25.0%)
other:4 (4.3%)
Total:92


Now, slide down the slope with me.

Can you see a time in the future where the gov. might decide it needs to get involved with the genders of citizen babies being born?

If you could choose what sex your child would be, would you?

If you could only have ONE child, would you have a boy or a girl? Remember - girls cost more.

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#2 Feb 11 2009 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I voted other because I think that it might be good in some circumstances. Given the history of countries where a boy is more valued, I think this could be a technology that could very easily disrupt society for generations.

So, yes and no.
#3 Feb 11 2009 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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They just need to start creating/breeding fully functional hermaphrodites and this problem would be over.
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#4 Feb 11 2009 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
This reminds me of the discussion in the OOT that we had about a book I read. My Sister's Keeper was the book, and it was about a family who had two kids, and the younger one was diagnosed with cancer. The other kid wasn't a genetic match, so they went to a fertility clinic and had the doc implant an embryo that was a perfect genetic match for their daughter so they could use the core blood from the baby's umbilical cord to help her.

That worked, but the cancer came back years later, so they took bone marrow from their youngest. Then they needed platelets. The book starts where they know that any day now, they will need to do a kidney transplant from the youngest daughter to the older daughter.
#5 Feb 11 2009 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno about "standard" procedure. I've known families that had multiples of one sex and wanted to continue until they had one of the other sex (usually families with lots of girls who wanted a boy to carry on the family name). So in that case, it'd work out better for everyone if they could just decide to have a boy and be done with it.

Of course it would work out better than THAT if they'd learn to value their daughters more highly; but that's a sidebar discussion.

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#6 Feb 11 2009 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
For firstborn children, no.

In the situation where they want to keep trying until they have a boy, if they have the option to pick, they can stop at #2.

Wasn't this what happened to the Weasleys in the Harry Potter books? They went through six or seven boys before they finally had Ginny.
#7 Feb 11 2009 at 9:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I voted no because, frankly, I don't see a whole lot of upside to it and a whole lot of potential downside. Even in cases like China, I think that finding a humane way to deal with "unwanted" girl babies (and the whole One Child policy/mindset in general) would be a better solution than a 95% male birth rate.
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For firstborn children, no.

In the situation where they want to keep trying until they have a boy, if they have the option to pick, they can stop at #2.

Wasn't this what happened to the Weasleys in the Harry Potter books? They went through six or seven boys before they finally had Ginny.
I don't think it was ever stated that they were trying for a girl...

I guess Mrs. Weasley just liked knockin boots.
#9 Feb 11 2009 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I consider myself lucky I got a girl baby and then a boy baby. My Dad really wanted a son, but was only willing to give it three shots. Anyway, the last attempt he got me, no boy could be better.

Nature has always done a good job balancing out gender needs. I wonder how badly we could ***** that up.

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catwho the Pest wrote:
For firstborn children, no.

In the situation where they want to keep trying until they have a boy, if they have the option to pick, they can stop at #2.

Wasn't this what happened to the Weasleys in the Harry Potter books? They went through six or seven boys before they finally had Ginny.
I don't think it was ever stated that they were trying for a girl...

I guess Mrs. Weasley just liked knockin boots.


Maybe they were Catholic wizards?
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#11 Feb 11 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
Allowing parents to predetermine the sex of their child would upset the natural balance, inevitably. I voted no.
#12 Feb 11 2009 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
My wife and I looked into this and from what we could find out most of the sperm sorting companies did not have significantly more success then you can get by...doing it at the right time.

Could the government get involved:
From the science I've seen on gender selection, it is possible that environmental factors could shift the human gender balance (although the science is pretty preliminary and any straightforward interpretation of the ideas presented would have far greater impacts then gender). But if that happened, having a way to restore the balance is a good thing. Even if that happened, it is likely people would try for the minority gender on their own without government enforcement.

I have two girls and they are wonderful. Were we going to have a third, it would be kind of nice to have a boy, but I like the idea of nature choosing. If we were only going to have one child, I'd probably choose to have a girl, but likely that is because we already have them.

Wait, why do girls cost more?
#13 Feb 11 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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You don't have the right to pick your child's gender when it's out of the womb. Why in hell would you have the right to make such a life changing decision for your spawn before they are even born?

In before someone brings up how this looks like an anti-abortion analogy. It's not. Think about the differences.
#14 Feb 11 2009 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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You don't have the right to pick your child's gender when it's out of the womb.


In certain cases you can...
#15 Feb 11 2009 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wait, why do girls cost more?


Not everyone agrees that they do.

The theory is that girls need more clothes, and generally demand nicer clothes, plus accessories and so on. I'm not sure the difference is all that huge, at least until high school. Okay, middle school.

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#16 Feb 11 2009 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Pensive wrote:
You don't have the right to pick your child's gender when it's out of the womb.


In certain cases you can...


It is completely glossed over in the gay marriage debates but the number of people born with...I don't know how to put this...non-stereotypical gender is actually pretty high (somewhere between one in a hundred and one in a thousand depending on exactly what you're talking about).
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I'd have a girl. They get the best clothes.
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#18 Feb 11 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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No.

If you don't want to read a tangent, stop at that.

What we need to be spending all this time and money on is getting over the idea that there is one sex that is better or more beneficial than the others or costs less or is more of a burden or is better for a family or can carry on a family name or is more favored by God or any of the other ridiculous and painful viewpoints we have out there.

After reading about more than 22 million "missing" women in India, as just one example of gender preference and its impact, I think we have bigger problems than worrying about which set of genes is more likely to desire a more expensive pair of jeans. We live in a world where baby girls are drowned, choked, poisoned, or burned to death because they can't carry on the family name or light a funeral pyre for their parent's passage to heaven. I carry a world of heartache around with me for little girls who are murdered or abandoned because of out-dated assumptions of what they're capable of or what they "cost".

The reality is that we live in a world NOW where governments and cultures are involved with the genders of citizen babies being born, or at least living past a few days old.

Nexa

Edited to change "other" sex to "others". Deal with it, ********.

Edited, Feb 11th 2009 1:16pm by Nexa
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#19 Feb 11 2009 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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While I kind of understand the wanting of one gender over another, I can't think of any circumstances where we should easily be able to go all Gattica on getting predetermined gender babies. If you really want a certain gender so much, to the point you would seriously consider this, go adopt. There are plenty of babies out there already of the gender you want that desperately needs a home.

I guess I just never had that particular mindset in that I cared *that* much over the gender. The most important thing to me was the health of the child. I have 2 boys and one more boy on the way and I have no regrets that I wont have a girl. On the other hand I would feel the same if the genders were reversed. You love what you get in the end.
#20 Feb 11 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
Nexa summed things up quite perfectly, in my opinion. The idea that such "preferences" still exist is disgusting on its face.
#21 Feb 11 2009 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I voted yes because I dream of a word where there is a 1/100 Guy/Girl ratio.
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#22 Feb 11 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tamat Damat wrote:
I voted yes because I dream of a word where there is a 1/100 Guy/Girl ratio.


I can't imagine that quantity of rejection would really be very good for your psyche, but who am I to judge?

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#23 Feb 11 2009 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
Tamat Damat wrote:
I voted yes because I dream of a word where there is a 1/100 Guy/Girl ratio.


I can't imagine that quantity of rejection would really be very good for your psyche, but who am I to judge?

Nexa


Yeah, poor guy, sitting around wondering why some other schlub has 300 women when he can't get one.

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#24 Feb 11 2009 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Tamat Damat wrote:
I voted yes because I dream of a word where there is a 1/100 Guy/Girl ratio.


I can't imagine that quantity of rejection would really be very good for your psyche, but who am I to judge?

Nexa


Yeah, poor guy, sitting around wondering why some other schlub has 300 women when he can't get one.



Lion prides come to mind.

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Nexa wrote:
Samira wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Tamat Damat wrote:
I voted yes because I dream of a word where there is a 1/100 Guy/Girl ratio.
I can't imagine that quantity of rejection would really be very good for your psyche, but who am I to judge?
Yeah, poor guy, sitting around wondering why some other schlub has 300 women when he can't get one.
Lion prides come to mind.
Lesbian covens.
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#26 Feb 11 2009 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hawt.

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