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#52 Feb 06 2009 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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And about Human Rights, those are forfeit the second you decide to take away someone else's.
Shouldn't we be able to prove the latter in a court of law before stripping someone of the former?
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#53 Feb 06 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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And about Human Rights, those are forfeit the second you decide to take away someone else's. I have absolutely no sympathy for these people or their 'cause'. Any country/group of people/religion that calls for violence in any shape or form is ludacris.
What an idiotic statement. First you advocate capital punishment, then you say you forfeit your human rights if you take a life. So then the people who sentence you to death do the same, no?

As to the last sentence in this quote: we torture people. This is what you're attempting to defend in the very same post.

So in short: yes, you're a redneck gun-toting douchebag.
#54 Feb 06 2009 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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NewServer wrote:
And about Human Rights, those are forfeit the second you decide to take away someone else's.
Shouldn't we be able to prove the latter in a court of law before stripping someone of the former?

Not to mention that even those proven guilty of murder still deserve basic human rights.

#55 Feb 06 2009 at 1:13 PM Rating: Default
Torture according to the Dems could involve refusing to give a muslim a copy of the koran or allowing them to know which way mecca was.

Were it up to the Dems every single casualty in this war should be allowed to confront the military person responsible and hold them accountable. Democrats are simply trying using this torture issue as an excuse to ignore the real problem, which is how to effectively deal with radical muslims.

Has anyone else noticed how the media isn't reporting as vehemently on how many americans have died in the ME since Obama has been in office? What did they all of a sudden decide it's not important enough to report on? H*ll every day for the last 7yrs they've been running a count total of how many americans have died since the war began.

Democrat hypocracy knows no bounds.
#56 Feb 06 2009 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone else noticed how the media isn't reporting as vehemently on how many americans have died in the ME since Obama has been in office?
Yeah.
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#59 Feb 06 2009 at 1:32 PM Rating: Default
Joph,

Thank you for proving my point. Not one mention of how many US military men killed since Obama became president. No comparisons to the violence now compared with this time last year.

#60 Feb 06 2009 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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It's about survival.


Hahaha.
#61 Feb 06 2009 at 1:40 PM Rating: Default
Newserver,

I couldn't agree more. People like Ash don't have any idea what these people are capable of. To him they're nothing more than a people the US has oppressed fighting for their freedom. People like him actually think his neighbors, in the military, are randomly slaughtering innocents over there. And when he can't back up anything he says he reverts to insults and name calling, a true sign of intelligence.

Jophiel, on the other hand, is much worse. He knows exactly what the deal is but has chosen his stance based on the premise that the military is inherently evil.
#63 Feb 06 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
Newserver,

See balenic is a prime example of this. He believes all this is simply a misunderstanding and the muslims really don't want to kill the infidel.
#64 Feb 06 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Terrorists are war criminals
So prove that they're terrorists and we can move on with things. That'd really been the crux of the Gitmo debate, even more so than allegations of waterboarding or whatever. Charge them with a specific crime, create a credible case that they're guilty of that crime, get someone a judge of some form to agree with your presentation of the case and we're golden.

Just because you pick up a guy and throw him in a hole for five years doesn't make him a terrorist. Or a war criminal.
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#65 Feb 06 2009 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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He knows exactly what the deal is but has chosen his stance based on the premise that the military is inherently evil.
lolwut?
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#66 Feb 06 2009 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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No, not at all. But you guys need to get your survival instincts checked.
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I'm sorry you feel that way, Jophiel.
You should probably not listen to Dupee seeing as how he's mentally retarded. I have no issues with the military as an institution. Apparently, since I haven't generally agreed with the prior administration's use of the military in certain locations, he has decided this means I hate all the poor army men (and sailors, airmen, et al).
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#69 Feb 06 2009 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Smiley: confused.

Need an IP check here I think.



Edited, Feb 6th 2009 4:08pm by trickybeck
#70 Feb 06 2009 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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"NewServer" does sound peculiar, non?

Maybe it's Thundra!
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#73 Feb 06 2009 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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I can say though, that I find it difficult to believe that the US goverment is simply plucking random muslims off the street and torturing/executing them to quench our thirst for vengeance and justice.


Like that guy from Germany? Kurnaz was his name I think. That will teach him to never go shopping again!
#74 Feb 06 2009 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I find it difficult to believe that the US goverment is simply plucking random muslims off the street and torturing/executing them to quench our thirst for vengeance and justice.
I do, too. Which is why I never claimed as such.
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If you made it to Gitmo, you're there for a reason, whether you participated directly, indirectly, planned, accompliced, transported, harbored, or trained anyone planning on bringing harm to our nation or it's people. Could mistakes have been made? Of course, in the end, we're all humans and no one, person or goverment, is free from mistakes. The best they can do is go off the information provided and go from there.
We've released 420 men from Gitmo without charging them. Either we're knowingly releasing people we can prove are terrorists or else we're talking about 420 people who were picked up and we couldn't prove that they "participated directly, indirectly, planned..." etc etc. Maybe some are terrorists and we just didn't have the evidence collected to prove it. But that's a whole lot of people to just say "You're in Gitmo so you're obviously a terrorist who doesn't deserve basic human rights", don't you think?
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