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#1 Feb 04 2009 at 7:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Because we obviously want these types of people out walking around in the general populace again right?

******* nuke em from orbit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7869570.stm

Iraq's 'female bomber recruiter'

Samira Jassim is accused of recruiting dozens of female attackers
Suspected militant recruiter Samira Jassim reportedly calls herself "the Mother of Believers".

Detained in January by Iraqi security forces, the mother of six is accused of converting dozens of vulnerable women into suicide attackers.

In an apparent video confession, the middle-aged woman described how she identified potential bombers, helped supply them with explosives and led them to their targets.

She also explained, in a separate interview with the Associated Press, how insurgents used rape as a tool, with the "shamed" women persuaded to redeem themselves through suicide attacks.

Her apparent confession could help throw light on the recent increase in attacks in Iraq involving female bombers.

In 2007, there were eight suicide attacks by women; in 2008 there were 32, the US military says. In early January, a female bomber killed at least 35 Shia pilgrims in a blast near a Baghdad shrine.

Insurgents use female bombers because they can hide explosives under their robes and are less likely to be searched by male guards at security checkpoints.

'Bring her to us'

Samira Jassim worked with Sunni militants from the Ansar al-Sunnah group in Diyala province, one of the last remaining centres of Sunni insurgency, Iraqi security officials said.
Women can sometimes bypass the security checks in Iraqi cities

She had recruited 80 women to act as bombers, 28 of whom had gone on to launch attacks, a military spokesman told journalists at a news conference in Baghdad.

In a filmed confession, the black-robed Jassim described how she recruited one woman for an attack in the city of Mukdadiyah, 100 km (62 miles) northeast of Baghdad.

"I talked to her a number of times," she said. "I went back to them (the militants) and gave them the details on her. And they told me, bring her to us... And I took her to the police station and that's where she blew herself up."

She also described the long process of persuading a woman named Amal, who had family problems, to launch an attack.

"I talked to her many times, sat with her and she was very depressed," she said.

In a separate interview with AP a week after her 21 January arrest, Jassim also described how insurgents used organised rape as a way of generating more bombers.

Her role was to persuade the traumatised victims that carrying out a suicide attack was their only way out.

That claim was impossible to verify, AP said, and during their interview with her police interrogators sat in an adjoining room.

But in a culture where rape is considered very shameful for the victim, it is not implausible, correspondents say.

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#2 Feb 04 2009 at 7:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Feb 04 2009 at 7:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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What's really sad is that I have become illiterate and couldn't find a single mention of Gitmo in this article Smiley: confused
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#4 Feb 04 2009 at 7:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just used it as a generic catch all for "yup, the terrorists won."
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#5 Feb 04 2009 at 8:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, she's been arrested and is being kept in what I assume are less than first class accomodations in some Iraqi prison if that makes you feel better.
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I'd still prefer an orbital uranium ***** for the lot fo em, but it will have to do for now I suppose.
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Here's the big secret: No one can tell who the guilty people are, and locking up people that look like the guilty people tends not to play out that well.

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Don't see anything in there about Gitmo. All I see is an article about a woman who stretches the definition of "human being".

The issue with Gitmo is that it's a political prison. People who want to shut it down are not ipso facto supporting terrorism. They're supporting other, less morally vague means of combating terrorism.
#9 Feb 04 2009 at 8:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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We can still lock up the ones that sound guilty though, right?
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#11 Feb 05 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I already apologized once. Don't push me. Smiley: mad

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#12 Feb 05 2009 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Who said anything about letting them go.

Open and fair trials with representation, no torture to obtain confessions and convictions based on "Evidence".

If found guilty, well you have the death sentance right?

These people haven't even been given basic treatment as required by the Geneva convention on PoW's and that's fUcking disgusting.
#13REDACTED, Posted: Feb 05 2009 at 11:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Baron Tarv,
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Second the prisoners in Gitmo are not POW's as defined under the geneva convention.
Which means they're being held illegally, under no jurisdiction of any country, or indeed of the international community. It's wrong, and it needs to stop. No crime, no crime, gives anyone the right to take away your human rights. Ever. If we expect "them" to stop "terrorizing" us, then we can't be treating them like anything less than a US citizen, or at least a POW.
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dupeeconqr wrote:
Second the prisoners in Gitmo are not POW's as defined under the geneva convention.
Which means they're being held illegally, under no jurisdiction of any country, or indeed of the international community. It's wrong, and it needs to stop. No crime, no crime, gives anyone the right to take away your human rights. Ever. If we expect "them" to stop "terrorizing" us, then we can't be treating them like anything less than a US citizen, or at least a POW.


Yes, yes, yes, this reclassification of the POWs as enemy combatants is a way for the US to blatantly violate international law--something that doesn't make us as a country safer. Yes, Al Quaeda will bomb the **** out of us anyway, however, we don't need to keep radicalizing the moderates and the marginally neutral states by ignoring the Geneva Convention.

Man, remember when Reagan used to call the Contras, "Freedom Fighters?"
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For once you're right. They shouldn't be held; they should be summarily executed.
You're right, @#%^ due process. In fact, let's start with self-righteous nationalist redneck asSholes.

Edited, Feb 5th 2009 2:05pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
#18 Feb 05 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Fist of all are you suggesting we pull everyone involved with each terrorists captured be summoned to court in the US. Do you have any idea what an absurd idea that is? We're talking witnesses for the defense and prosecution shipped halfway across the world.


It would be somewhat unrealisitc, I do have to agree with you on that, BUT, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't find some way to clear those who are innocent, and don't start claiming that they must all be terrorists if they're in there, there's all too much evidence showing that mistakes, a fair amount of them, have been made.

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Second the prisoners in Gitmo are not POW's as defined under the geneva convention.


Oh yeah, that's right, because technically they weren't captured representing any specific country, they don't qualify for humane treatment. How could I possibly forget that? I mean, not only did we just run into random houses and arrest random arabs for being in an area where terrorists were active and arrest random arabs on planed because they were arabs and send them to places like gitmo(Or Syrian prisons for torture for that matter), we also told them afterwards that they're less than human and as such don't deserve the basic rights that EVERY man, woman, and child, regardless of religion, race, age, etc, should have, guilty of a crime or not.

Have I ever told you that you're an idiot and a terrible person? If so, I must repeat myself.


You're and idiot and you're an overall terrible person.
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#19 Feb 05 2009 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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That claim was impossible to verify, AP said, and during their interview with her police interrogators sat in an adjoining room.


Under these circumstances, I have doubts about guilt by confession.
#20 Feb 05 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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I have to agree with Tarv. Guantanamo bay has nothing to do with terrorism except to act as a source of recruitment propaganda. It also reduces the United States in the eyes of the world as a repressive regime.
Try and punish by due process. Guantanamo had no basis for existance and I will not miss it and I hope you see its passing as part of the passing of the Bush era of international relations. Closing it is an excellent decision.

As for this woman, she will be tried by due process and dealt with in her Country. Nothing is fairer.

Edited for silly typing error (thank you Samira for pointing that out ..)

Edited, Feb 5th 2009 4:40pm by GwynapNud
#21 Feb 05 2009 at 12:36 PM Rating: Default
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Terrorists aren't afforded due process anywhere in the constitution or the geneva convention. It's obvious you want to remake the constitution to fit the whims of the masses.


I'm still waiting for someone to address the logistical impossibility of having a trial for these captured terrorists.


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Oh yeah, that's right, because technically they weren't captured representing any specific country, they don't qualify for humane treatment


You're definition of humane and mine are obviously incompatable. Frankly I don't mind harsh interogation tactics that have been proven time and again. What I do mind is releasing terrorists who then go about their business of detonating themselves in crowded public places.

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Terrorists aren't afforded due process anywhere in the constitution or the geneva convention. It's obvious you want to remake the constitution to fit the whims of the masses.
Such mind-numbing hypocrisy, all in two little sentences!

"Terrorist" is an arbitrary term for "criminal."
#23 Feb 05 2009 at 12:39 PM Rating: Default
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Do you even know the difference between a criminal and a terrorist?

D*mn 20 something know it alls.
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Do you even know the difference between a criminal and a terrorist?

D*mn 20 something know it alls.
Do you?
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Closing Guantanamo bay has nothing to do with terrorism except to act as a source of recruitment propaganda. It also reduces the United States in the eyes of the world as a repressive regime.


Smiley: dubious

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#26 Feb 05 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
Unless you are suggersting the United States is infallible, they are not all terrorists.

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You're well educated, aren't you?
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