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#1 Jan 27 2009 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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New York Representative Peter King (R-NY) has introduced a bill requiring all new cell phones to make an audible sound detectable from "a reasonable radius" whenever the camera is used. This is theoretically to protect victims of covert photography in locker rooms, etc. However, it also makes it problematic to covertly use a cell phone to photograph an attacker, other criminal behavior, record police misconduct, etc.
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#2 Jan 27 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
Don't they have anything better to do with their time?
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There are other small cameras available. Are they going to have to beep as well?

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Heh.. this also means that the next time you're at a concert, you can listen to "Beepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeep" in full stereo along with the act you actually went to see.
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#5 Jan 27 2009 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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And then someone will start selling customized beeps on the intertubes. Smiley: mad

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#6paulsol, Posted: Jan 27 2009 at 11:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Like what? Now that Obama is in charge of the world and all the BIG problems are about to fully fiksed, theres plenty of time for people to worry about trivia.
#7 Jan 27 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Edited to just say ... the man is not busy enough if he had time to prep that bill.

Edited, Jan 27th 2009 2:44pm by GwynapNud
#8 Jan 27 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
Odds are he's owned by a company who's phones already have this feature. Gogo making the other companies have to change their technology.
#9 Jan 27 2009 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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I'm trying to manage a tricky dilemma that's sort of related.

For the last 15 years our hospitals have heavily restricted the use of cell phones, using the argument that they could have an adverse interaction with life-saving medical equipment.

By a pure coinkydink, hospitals then charged patients inordinately high fees to make phone calls, even charging them for incoming calls. All this while taking thousands of moneys from cell-phone companies to mount transmission masts on the roof of the hospital.

Surprise, surprise. Now we've proven that cell-phones have almost no risk to medical devices (apart from a few Intensive Care devices, and then only if within a few feet). Cell-phones are now, quite rightly, to be allowed in hospital wards so patients can keep in touch with their loved ones.

Snag - many phones have a camera so privacy and confidentiality (ex-very-stremely important in healthcare settings) are highly compromised.

Do we allow phones into hospitals willy-nilly and hope for the best, ban camera-phones, or invade Alaskastan?
Hmmmm.

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#10 Jan 27 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Do we allow phones into hospitals willy-nilly and hope for the best, ban camera-phones, or invade Alaskastan?
Hmmmm.


Thats why we need single sex wards and if required, single rooms. Also, how do you ban camera phones? Soon they will all have cameras!

I'm also wondering if this will mean an end to some other hospital chargeable services. With TV/films and video being streamed to Smartphones on 3G, you will not need the extras they currently charge for.
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#13 Jan 27 2009 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
Nobby wrote:
I'm trying to manage a tricky dilemma that's sort of related.

For the last 15 years our hospitals have heavily restricted the use of cell phones, using the argument that they could have an adverse interaction with life-saving medical equipment.

By a pure coinkydink, hospitals then charged patients inordinately high fees to make phone calls, even charging them for incoming calls. All this while taking thousands of moneys from cell-phone companies to mount transmission masts on the roof of the hospital.

Surprise, surprise. Now we've proven that cell-phones have almost no risk to medical devices (apart from a few Intensive Care devices, and then only if within a few feet). Cell-phones are now, quite rightly, to be allowed in hospital wards so patients can keep in touch with their loved ones.

Snag - many phones have a camera so privacy and confidentiality (ex-very-stremely important in healthcare settings) are highly compromised.

Do we allow phones into hospitals willy-nilly and hope for the best, ban camera-phones, or invade Alaskastan?
Hmmmm.



In the U.S. several cases have gone to court and the general rule is that one cannot legally snap a picture of someone else without their approval in any place where a reasonable level of privacy can be expected. A hospital would clearly count as one of those places, so you'd have some legal protection there, but people are still free to break the law, of course.

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Typical Republican Nanny State fear mongering.

"I heard someone's wife was photographed in her bathing costume while at the Claaaahhhhhb! This must be stopped!"

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#15 Jan 27 2009 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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Mr. King is just standing up for all the congressmen who don't want to get caught on corruption charges.


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Thats why we need single sex wards and if required, single rooms.


uh...no. Can you see why this is a dumb idea?




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Do we allow phones into hospitals willy-nilly and hope for the best, ban camera-phones


Genuine question I don't know the answer to either in the US or the UK: Do hospitals commonly prevent people from bringing in ordinary cameras one couldn't ring up the bookie on?

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Smasharoo wrote:

Do we allow phones into hospitals willy-nilly and hope for the best, ban camera-phones


Genuine question I don't know the answer to either in the US or the UK: Do hospitals commonly prevent people from bringing in ordinary cameras one couldn't ring up the bookie on?



Not sure of this exactly, but the camera phone stuff doesn't surprise me. More and more hospitals aren't allowing cameras in for ultrasounds or the birth to avoid their use in malpractice lawsuits. I know we couldn't take pictures at Hannah's ultrasound appointments that included the actual ultrasound (we could take photos of me, but not of the equipment).

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I remember something similar to this already being law in Japan. Because of people taking pictures under stall walls in bathrooms, etc. All phones made a clicking, beep, shutter, etc. sound.

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It is law in Japan and as result is implemented practically everyplace else.
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It is law in Japan and as result is implemented practically everyplace else.


Nevar! Censorship law must stay confined!

Edited, Jan 29th 2009 3:33pm by Deadgye
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Nexa wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:

Do we allow phones into hospitals willy-nilly and hope for the best, ban camera-phones


Genuine question I don't know the answer to either in the US or the UK: Do hospitals commonly prevent people from bringing in ordinary cameras one couldn't ring up the bookie on?



Not sure of this exactly, but the camera phone stuff doesn't surprise me. More and more hospitals aren't allowing cameras in for ultrasounds or the birth to avoid their use in malpractice lawsuits. I know we couldn't take pictures at Hannah's ultrasound appointments that included the actual ultrasound (we could take photos of me, but not of the equipment).

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I would think a camera phone would have the same limitations. It'd likely be easier for Nobby's hospitals to allow cellphones with some rules, than not allow them and have people sneaking both pictures and calls. It may require some refresher training on dealing with confidential records, but really medical professionals should not be allowing people access to them anyways, with or without a spy camera.
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These are the same people that want microchip implants so they can track every move we make.

And is it even possible to buy a phone now without a camera?
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I don't see anything wrong with it. They passed a similar law in Iceland or Finland or somewhere a few years back. Some Nordic country. It is knucklehead stuff, but it makes sense.
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These are the same people that want microchip implants so they can track every move we make.


I really liked how they described the "world of the future" in 2057 on the Science channel. A lot of the surveillance stuff made a lot of sense.
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Nobby wrote:
I'm trying to manage a tricky dilemma that's sort of related.

For the last 15 years our hospitals have heavily restricted the use of cell phones, using the argument that they could have an adverse interaction with life-saving medical equipment.

By a pure coinkydink, hospitals then charged patients inordinately high fees to make phone calls, even charging them for incoming calls. All this while taking thousands of moneys from cell-phone companies to mount transmission masts on the roof of the hospital.

Surprise, surprise. Now we've proven that cell-phones have almost no risk to medical devices (apart from a few Intensive Care devices, and then only if within a few feet). Cell-phones are now, quite rightly, to be allowed in hospital wards so patients can keep in touch with their loved ones.

Snag - many phones have a camera so privacy and confidentiality (ex-very-stremely important in healthcare settings) are highly compromised.

Do we allow phones into hospitals willy-nilly and hope for the best, ban camera-phones, or invade Alaskastan?
Hmmmm.

Give all conscious patients a very short and simple paragraph to sign on a single piece of paper.

"Because of the right of all patients to their privacy and medical confidentiality, I hereby agree not to take photographs in the hospital that show any part of any person, apart from myself, my family, and my friends." This will take money to administer, and space to store all the slips, precisely when you are loosing hospital telephone income. But it does cover both the bases. So do you have the funds for it?

Put up a large sign in all the lobbies and liftwells of the hospitals that read: "As a visitor entering this hospital, I agree not to photograph anyone in this hospital apart from my friends and family"

Have a short TV/radio/print advertising campaign for the issue.

"Mobile phones still need to be kept a few feet away from intensive care equipment. But they are now allowed in hospitals so loved ones can keep in touch at this important time. To protect the privacy and medical confidentiality of all patients, it is required that you restrict all photographs taken to yourself, your family, and your friends, whilst on hospital grounds."

Edited, Jan 30th 2009 7:37am by Aripyanfar

Edited, Jan 30th 2009 9:17am by Aripyanfar
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