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You were beaten to the punch a few posts up.

That's what I said.

True, but Hamas wasn't included in the cease-fire discussions. Israel does not want a two-way cease-fire,since this would be seen as giving legitimacy to a "terrorist group". And Israeli soldiers will remain be in Gaza. And they will shoot back if being shot at.

So it's less of a cease-fire than Israel agreeing to stop kicking the **** out of Gaza, for now. But hey, Hamas has been thoroughly defeated, rockets have stopped being launched from Gaza to Israel, and everything in the region is much better than it was before the war. Or, wait...

No, Hamas was never going to be included in the cease-fire, since the whole point of the exercise was to destroy Hamas. How could they then set them up as partner for peace=making? Unless part of the cease-fire would be that Hamas would self-destruct after signing the agreement.




Well they could, and it still wouldn't improve anything. Rockets are still being launched from Gaza. Hamas is still there. All this death and destruction, for what? What has it achieved? Except killing people and destroying property, what has it achieved? Is Israel safer? Are we?

Hamas was never going to be included because Hamas demanded basically that Israel open up Gaza and completely withdraw from the region. Which would be insanity because there's absolutely no reason to believe that Hamas would do anything but use the breathing room to rearm and continue the struggle.

I'm pretty sure RP knew I was being tongue-in-cheek there & largely just tweaking him. He's probably even bright enough to have taken the laughing face as a hint. Maybe someday when you're more "enlightened" you'll be able to figure these things out too!

Until then, I'll continue to be wounded that you thought I was "amused" by it all. Really, the barbs sting but I'll find a way to carry on.

Edited, Jan 18th 2009 2:07pm by Jophiel

Using witty terms such as "Sheeple" is the quickest way to gain credibility.

If they're pissed off, they are, eo ipso, not sheep.

I've been a long time Obama supporter, but there's things I dislike about him. His gay marriage policy, Rick Warren, etc.

I thought that's what Hamas wanted of Israel?

I forgot. Did someone actually make a comment about the obvious sexual connotation of the topic title?

Cause if not, um... tee hee...

So I take it everybody is ok with my Israel's rockets into Gaza solution for the next time Hamas starts instigating things again?

Awesome.

Totem

Sure thing. Hell, they should be using bigger rockets. With those special tips that they aren't supposed to use.

The situations are entirely different though. There's a huge difference between people who are fed up with whomever is ruling them and fighting against them, and people hating another group of people so much that they'll strap bombs to themselves in order to kill a bunch of them.


Israel completely pulled out of Gaza prior to this latest round of violence. They had not one soldier in that territory. Gaza acted completely on its own and continued to attempt to smuggle weapons and dig tunnels to attack Israel. Israel was not occupying them. They were not oppressing the population. At some point, you have to recognize that it's the leadership of the radical anti-Israel organizations who are causing this and not Israel. You also have to realize that no amount of half measures will prevent this. Israel has to eliminate those organizations. The people aren't the target.


There will always be pissed off and/or mentally disturbed people in any society. Plenty who, with enough encouragement and conditioning, can be convinced to do things like suicide bombings. When that is happening, your only solution is to get rid of the organizations training, supplying, and pointing those people at you. Arguing that this only alienates the population is a non-argument IMO.

No they aren't.