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#27 Jan 12 2009 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
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If you want to keep a cat, then you have to let it outdoors. If you want to keep a furry, impotent husk of an animal then sure, keep it indoors, take of its claws.
I've had both indoors and outdoor cats. I can imagine a cat not being a happy productive citizen of cat-world if forced to live a life indoors, there is no obvious evidence of that in the cats behavior however. The indoor cat, if raised and living it's life indoors is generally healthier. Are they happier? Who knows. Who cares.

We don't keep pets for the pet's sake. We have pets for our own enjoyment.








Edited, Jan 12th 2009 5:42pm by Elinda
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#28 Jan 12 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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My stepmom just had to get rid of her female cat (my cat's sister) because of a slew of problems - pissing in corners, stinginess with her water source, etc. She was spayed early and spoiled rotten, and just a ****** little cat. My Timmy has some ********** in him, but he's a pretty big lover.

I guess what the whole "life changing" comment was supposed to say, is that you are now going to be responsible for the happiness of an all new kind of creature's happiness. This thread has lots of good tips, so as long as you do your homework and know the dos and don'ts and pros and cons and still want little Ernesto, a cat shouldn't upturn your life too harshly.
#29 Jan 12 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
Allergy medication for your kid. A pet is absolutely a family member. To treat it other wise is just sad. Pets are NOT DISPOSABLE!
#30 Jan 12 2009 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
Katielynn wrote:
Pets are NOT DISPOSABLE!


But... they are.
#31 Jan 12 2009 at 8:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Katielynn wrote:
Allergy medication for your kid. A pet is absolutely a family member. To treat it other wise is just sad. Pets are NOT DISPOSABLE!


haha, while that's a lovely sentiment, I grew up with a cousin that would go in to a life-endangering asthma attack around pet dander (and a host of other allergens), medication/inhaler or no. The first time you watch a three year old turn blue and fall unconscious as the paramedics arrive is when you stop giving a **** if the cat has to live with other people.

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#32 Jan 12 2009 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
Alright fine, we're getting a bloody goldfish.

And yes, we've named our cat before seeing it. You think some cats just don't look like aan "Ernesto"?
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#33 Jan 12 2009 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Katielynn wrote:
Pets are NOT DISPOSABLE!


But... they are.


So are children.
#34 Jan 12 2009 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh no, wouldn't want it to kill a few birds! God, that'd just be the end of the world, wouldn't it?
Yes, that was the only downside. Good point Smiley: laugh
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If you want to keep a cat, then you have to let it outdoors. If you want to keep a furry, impotent husk of an animal then sure, keep it indoors, take of its claws.
I don't know, maybe you measure your manhood based on your cat or something. Personally, I've owned the entire spectrum of indoor/outdoor cats and indoor cats live perfectly happy lives. I've nothing against cats going outdoors on a personal level (unlike your obvious fear of cats remaining indoors) but there are a host of potential complications that go along with it which RP should be aware of.
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#35 Jan 12 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
Kavekk wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Katielynn wrote:
Pets are NOT DISPOSABLE!


But... they are.


So are children.


Fair enough.
#36 Jan 12 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll just add this, for what it's worth. It's purely anecdotal, so have the salt shaker at the ready.

In my experience, orange cats tend to be sweet but a little dumb. Tuxedo cats are smarter but more standoffish. Solid gray plush cats - the ones that look like Russian blues but probably aren't - are very affectionate but tend to be one-or-two person cats, not great with families or very friendly to visitors.

Calicoes tend to be insane, sometimes in a good way, sometimes... not. Siamese are way too smart for most people to handle.

A tabby boy is probably a good starter cat. Smiley: smile

Also - any cat can learn to get along with a dog if you're careful about how you introduce them. So having a cat doesn't mean you can't get a dog later.
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#37 Jan 12 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
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And yes, we've named our cat before seeing it. You think some cats just don't look like aan "Ernesto"?
But what if the cat has button-nose, or growls like a bear?

Aquariums, while certainly not responsibility free, can be pretty cool. They more of a hobby than a pet.
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#38 Jan 12 2009 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Alright fine, we're getting a bloody goldfish.

And yes, we've named our cat before seeing it. You think some cats just don't look like aan "Ernesto"?


Make sure you get the fish spayed/neutered and declawed. Also, unless you plan on building it a full pond with other fish and plant life to play with, mimicking it's natural gold-fish environment, than you're just cruel. Also, this cat is no Ernesto.

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#39 Jan 12 2009 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
I always heard indoor cats were pretty miserable, but I wouldn't know really, since I've never had a cat before.

Ours will be outdoor anyway. There are some foxes outside our house that need to be taught a lesson or two.
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#40 Jan 12 2009 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also, this cat is no Ernesto.

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Unless Ernesto takes acid.

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#41 Jan 12 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I always heard indoor cats were pretty miserable, but I wouldn't know really, since I've never had a cat before.

Ours will be outdoor anyway. There are some foxes outside our house that need to be taught a lesson or two.


Indoor cats can be fine. I can't let my cat out because of traffic, for example.

The problem is trying to make a cat that's used to being outdoors stay in. That IS miserable.

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#42 Jan 12 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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I always heard indoor cats were pretty miserable, but I wouldn't know really, since I've never had a cat before.


My mother's cat certainly wasn't miserable. At least, not until my mother decided the cat was getting too fat and decided that a kitten as a playmate was a good idea.

Sammy didn't come out of the bedroom for two days. Smiley: frown
#43 Jan 12 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I always heard indoor cats were pretty miserable, but I wouldn't know really, since I've never had a cat before.

Ours will be outdoor anyway. There are some foxes outside our house that need to be taught a lesson or two.


Better name the cat Kenny then, and have some back-ups.

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#44 Jan 12 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, that was the only downside. Good point


I wasn't trying to disprove your entire argument.

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I don't know, maybe you measure your manhood based on your cat or something. Personally, I've owned the entire spectrum of indoor/outdoor cats and indoor cats live perfectly happy lives. I've nothing against cats going outdoors on a personal level (unlike your obvious fear of cats remaining indoors) but there are a host of potential complications that go along with it which RP should be aware of.


My ***** was damaged at an early age. I strap my cat to my groin as a surrogate. Don't judge me.

No, but seriously, I think cats should be allowed to be cats. Sure, they might be happy with a life of neutered incarceration - maybe your mother would be happy working in a whorehouse and living in a drug induced stupor. Get what I'm saying?
#45 Jan 12 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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I always heard indoor cats were pretty miserable, but I wouldn't know really, since I've never had a cat before.
Nah. Cats actually keep fairly restricted territories and if they learn that their territory is within your walls, they're cool with it.

Our current cat is indoors for various reasons and he's happy as a clam. He doesn't even run for the door, he just sniffs curiously if its open. Honestly, I think the "He'll be so sad" bit is people validating the option which is more dangerous for the cat but less work for the owner.
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#46 Jan 12 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
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#47 Jan 12 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
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No, but seriously, I think cats should be allowed to be cats. Sure, they might be happy with a life of neutered incarceration - maybe your mother would be happy working in a whorehouse and living in a drug induced stupor. Get what I'm saying?
If you want to allow cats to be cats we need to send them all back to the Serengeti to hunt giraffes.

They've been domesticated for our purposes, and you're worried about them getting a bit of fresh air?
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Kavekk wrote:
I think cats should be allowed to be cats.
You mean they should be allowed to be animals intentionally domesticated over thousands of years for human purposes? I agree.
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#49 Jan 12 2009 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:

No, but seriously, I think cats should be allowed to be cats. Sure, they might be happy with a life of neutered incarceration - maybe your mother would be happy working in a whorehouse and living in a drug induced stupor. Get what I'm saying?


Right, but we're not talking about wild animals. Cats are fine being indoor pets because they've been bred to be that way. You don't see wild-roaming packs of poodles for the same reason.

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#50 Jan 12 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm glad Elinda, Joph and I all posted essentially the same thing in the same 30 seconds or so, haha. Love you guys!

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Samira wrote:
The problem is trying to make a cat that's used to being outdoors stay in. That IS miserable.
Agreed but still doable. Mine was a stray so he spent enough time outdoors. Still makes a happy enough indoor feline though.
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