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#1 Jan 12 2009 at 6:42 AM Rating: Good
So, my girlfriend and I have finally decided to buy a cat. It will happen in the next week, hopefully in the next few days.

I wanted a Bengal cat, but since they're a bit expensive, and require lots of outdoors and nature, we've settled for a tabby. Hopefully one with grey and white strpies, so that when I'm stoned, it looks a bit like a tiger, and isn't this what it's all about, fundamentally? Probably not, but anywho. I really wanted to call him Zizou, after the one and only Zidane, but she wasn't too keen on that. So we've settled on Ernesto, for obvious reasons, and also because it sounds quite smart for a cat.

When I told my boss this morning, he laughed and asked me if I'd had one before. I said I hadn't, and he laughed again. When I asked why it was so funnny, he said he'd let me find out for myself, but that it would change my life. And I don't think he meant it in the good way. So what's the deal? I thought it was kids that ruined your life, not cats. Anyone here owns a cat? What should I be careful/worried about? Will he do anything else than lounge around and sometimes puke on the sofa?

So come on, cats stories.

Let's hear it.
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#2 Jan 12 2009 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
Male or female?
#3 Jan 12 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
We're thinking male.

I can't actually remember the reason why, but the gf had some strong arguments for it.
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#4 Jan 12 2009 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Neutered male cats tend to be more docile than spayed females. Besides the birth control aspects, neutering early on will help keep the cat from spraying urine/musk/whatever across the apartment to mark his land. If you do wind up with a female, get her spayed to prevent her from going into heat and because unspayed females not allowed to mate can develop painful reproductive disorders.

I know declawing isn't common overseas so be prepared for some shredded furnishings until you get the feline properly trained on the scratching post. Cat training is pretty sketchy; since they're not pack animals they don't take to a natural heirarchy and discipline like dogs do but you can convince them that scratching the post beats a spray of water for scratching the sofa. Litter training is usually easier since the cat's natural instinct is to bury its waste and it'll appreciate the place to do it. Scratching its claws can be done anywhere.

Cats tend to get up in your business when it suits them with the standard gags of laying on your laptop keyboard, sticking their head in your milk glass, lying on your face as you sleep, etc. This either makes them charming or a pain in the *** depending on your temperment.

Edited, Jan 12th 2009 9:01am by Jophiel
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#5 Jan 12 2009 at 7:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're thinking male.

I can't actually remember the reason why, but the gf had some strong arguments for it.


Males are particularly difficult. They spray.


It takes a thimble of this spray to stink up the house, they'll leave a gallon.



About 6 months from birth your male cat will be sexually mature. Neutering them around 6 months (no ealier than 5) will reduce if not eliminate the desire to escape out of the house, urine in places they shouldn't, and fighting with any other animals in the residence. Neutering will remove the desire to spray.

Outside of that, cat's psychology does not work as it does with dogs.

Male cats tend to be loners through adolescence, but as maturity sets in, you'll have the most affectionate cat on earth.

Do not discipline your cat via spankings, beatings, or any other thing of the like. I found what works best if your cat misbehaves is pick them up, and lock them in the room that their catbox is in.

Loneliness is murder to a cat. They desire to be around their owners so being forcefully seperated from their owners sends a clear message. IF your cat ***** up, immediately remove them to their cat room. Pay no attention to their whines. After an hour let them out.

Cat's love to play. They love to chase things. The cheapest cat toys are the best. Got a piece of string and an empty box? That's hours of entertainment for you feline.

Catnip: Some cats are responsive to it, while others are not. If your cat is responsive to it, it may cause undesirable behavior.



#6 Jan 12 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Never has there been a better occasion for Cat Haiku:

You never feed me.
Perhaps I'll sleep on your face.
That will show you.

You must scratch me there!
Yes, above my tail! Behold,
elevator butt.

I need a new toy.
Tail of black dog keeps good time.
Pounce! good dog! good dog!

The rule for today.
Touch my tail, I shred your hand.
New rule tomorrow.

In deep sleep hear sound
Cat vomit hairball somewhere.
Will find in morning.

Grace personified
I leap into the window
I meant to do that

Blur of motion, then-
Silence, me, a paper bag
What is so funny?

The mighty hunter
Returns with gifts of plump birds
Your foot just squashed one.

You're always typing
Well, let's see you ignore my
Sitting on your hands.

My small cardboard box
You cannot see me if I
Can just hide my head.

Terrible battle
I fought for hours. Come and see!
What's a "term paper"?

Kitty likes plastic
Confuses for litter box
Don't leave tarp around

Small brave carnivores
Kill pine cones and mosquitoes
Fear vacuum cleaner

Want to trim my claws
Don't even think about it!
My yelps will wake the dead

I want to be close
To you. Can I fit my head
inside your armpit?

Wanna go outside.
Oh, no! Help! I got outside!
Let me back inside!

Oh no! Big One
has been trapped by newspaper.
Cat to the rescue!

Humans are so strange.
Mine lies still in the bed, then screams!
My claws aren't that sharp....

Cats meow out of angst
"Thumbs! If only we had thumbs!
We could break so much"

Litter box not there
You must have moved it again
I'll crap in the sink

The Big Ones snore now
Every room is dark and cold
time for "Cup Hockey"

We're almost equals
I purr to show I love you
Want to smell my butt.


Enjoy your new friend!

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#7 Jan 12 2009 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
If you think your cat sleeps a lot, it's normal. A cat typically spends 12-16 hours a day sleeping.
#8 Jan 12 2009 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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You just need to make sure that the cat knows who's boss and things will go much smoother. Don't let it get away with bad behavior because of the cute factor.
#9 Jan 12 2009 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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You just need to make sure that the cat knows who's boss and things will go much smoother. Don't let it get away with bad behavior because of the cute factor.



While this works with dogs quite well, it doesn't work with cats.



Cats assume dominance, there is no hierarchy, it's them then everyone else.


Teaching a cat what is acceptable and unacceptable is much more difficult than it is with dogs.
#10 Jan 12 2009 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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You should buy a new 'cat spraying' hose.
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The supposed theory is that canines learn to do things (or not do them) because their alpha leader wants them to and its their job as pack animals to listen to the alpha.

Cats pretty much just learn not to do things because of unpleasant consequences (such as a squirt of water whenever they go on the couch). They don't give a damn about you, they just figure they'll be wet and unhappy if they do it.
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#12 Jan 12 2009 at 7:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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In my experience male cats, assuming neutered young, are much more affectionate than females. They also don't spray, typically.

Males tend to respond to catnip more than females.

I found that a little tea tree oil works as a cat repellent for anything you don't want scratched. If you don't want to put it on fabric, put a drop on a piece of paper and pin it to the sofa for a week. It won't take long for him to learn that that's a bad spot. There are also commercial repellents but frankly they repel me, too.

But the important thing is for him to have a positive place to scratch. Get him a scratching post and put it in a nice spot, next to a window if you can. (Cats love windows, and will occasionally fall out if the window is left open.) Praise him when he uses it.

Is he going to be strictly indoors?
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#13 Jan 12 2009 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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How many cats love to drink out of the sink? For the longest time, I thought my goofball cat would die of thirst since it would refuse the water bowl--even one of those prissy fountain ones.

Edited, Jan 12th 2009 9:35am by sweetumssama
#14 Jan 12 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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I have a chair that's become a scratching post. I don't sleep through the entire night because there's usually a cat licking me or sleeping next to/on my head. My house stinks at times, because cat **** really is nasty stuff. Also, I can't wear black and dark colours in general are iffy.

I hate my gf for bringing 2 cats with her when she moved in. I thought the 2 kids were enough.
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My cat drinks from his bowl but my mother's will seemingly only drink from the sink/bathtub taps.

On the other hand, I've never heard of a housecat dying from dehydration because no one turned the tub's tap on. Supposedly, owing to their desert dwelling lineage, domestic cats need less water than you'd think (so they can ignore their water bowl longer than what seems comfortable to you before giving in) but it's always good to keep a source of fresh water available at all times.

Edited, Jan 12th 2009 9:46am by Jophiel
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#16 Jan 12 2009 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
Cool, thanks for all the advice. Some great stuff in there, espceially the bit about feline psychology, since I'm much more used to dogs.

Samira wrote:
Is he going to be strictly indoors?


Well, semi at the very least. We live on the 1st floor, and have a huge balcony, so he can venture out there. It's quite easy to go from the balcony to the street, and even easier to get back up (I've done it a few times when drunk). So this will be his 1st way to go in/out. But if he doesn't want to use the balcony, we can let him out from the front door of our flat, and then the front door of the house. Since there's a lot of passage in our house, someone can always let him in from the street to the inside of the house. When he's at the door of our flat, he can just knock to get in, presumably.


Edited, Jan 12th 2009 3:46pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#17 Jan 12 2009 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
Most important tips have already been given (neutering being the first one, don't wait all too long after he hits 6 months), some additional ones that might be helpful.

If you are going to allow the cat to wander outside, do not clip his nails. Declawing is definitely a no-no (comparable to having the tops of your fingers cut off) but cats need their nails for defence and getting away real fast. The cat should pick a tree or strong bush to sharpen his nails, along with a decent scratchpole and some training and your furniture should be safe.

Definitely give him the necessary shots if you allow him outside, best to take him to the vet to check him out even if he comes from a cattery (mine actually had a crooked mouth which the cattery conveniently forgot to mention). If not from a cattery, best to deworm him (those are a pain to get rid off, even after six month my other cat, dumped by some jerk along with the rest of his litter, still isn't worm free.) and check for flees. (equally a pest to get rid of)


If the cat is too unruly and is seemingly a hyperactive cat (which mine was, the dumped cat), you could consider getting a second cat. Kittens tend to get along with pretty much every other kitten, after the initial hissing and fighting ofcourse, and they'll waste their energy on hunting each other, mostly anyway. When acquiring a cat at later age, things might be more difficult to get them to get along. Although by no means impossible.

Ofcourse, with a kitten as psycho as mine, getting another one can produce rather heartbreaking scenes when one tries to get away by climbing on top of the scratching pole, but being too slow and actually get dragged off of it by the other one so he can bite him some more. Still, they seem to like each other.

Definitely spend time with the cat, get some string and a couple of balls and mice to chase around the house (the textile version naturally) and after a couple of days, you should be playing quite a lot.

Some things will get broken by the cat, try to scare him away from electric wires asap, be careful with your plants (some are poisonous to cats), don't try feeding him milk (most cats can't process this well, rather unpleasant consequences), try to get him used to brooming and possible nail clipping at a young age...

And might be best to not let the cat sleep in your bedroom. Especially at a young age, they can become rather unruly during the night and it's not fun to have to chase a cat in the middle of the night, mostly because they consider that part of the game anyway. Cats can get quite active at dusk, their hunting time I believe.

But mostly, have fun with your cat!
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I'll make the token statement that housecats should be kept indoors. Outdoor cats kill birds, fight other cats, fight other urban fauna (raccoons, foxes, dogs, coyotes*, possums, skunks or whatever you guys have over there), pick up parasites both interior & exterior (you haven't lived until the cat craps on the rug and its filled with writhing worms), get hit by cars and, on average, live about 25% shorter lives than indoor cats.

If you must let him out regularly, don't declaw and do spay.

In the interest of disclosure, I've owned several outdoor cats (adopted barn cats with whom it was just easier to let them out). One lived to be an old man but we spent a lot on vet visits with him. The other disappeared over a cold winter but we later saw him next spring lying on a stoop down the block. We assume the folks there adopted him as a stray after he took shelter there.


*Edit: Technically, they just get eaten by coyotes rather than getting into fights with them. But I don't think they have coyotes in England, do they?

Edited, Jan 12th 2009 9:58am by Jophiel
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Yes, indoor cats should stay inside. If they taste blood and freedom, they'll not be satisfied with indoor life.

Is this a kitten? If so, make sure you have lots of spray bottles about - it's the best way to discipline them as kittens.

Have a scratching post or something you can train them to scratch on.

Vet bills will come and they will not leave. There will be the regular check-ups, shots, spaying/neutering/declawing, as well as curing all the little infections they seem to catch, mending broken parts, etc.

I wouldn't say cat ownership is a 'life-changer' like having a kid or something. If you don't like the experience it's easy enough to get rid of a cat. And if you ***** up in raising a cat it probably won't cause nightmares. Smiley: grin

You've already named this cat before even meeting him?
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#20 Jan 12 2009 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
Remember! If you are going to have an inside/outside cat that not all neighbors appreciate cat crap in their yards, feet print on their cars and being attacked by the damn furry fecker every time they walk out to check the mail. I have a cat, LOVE HIM, but I keep him inside because I don't want him getting hurt and because I feel cats shouldn't be roamers. We trained him to his scratching post in about 2 days. We kept him in him locked in the bathroom with his litter box every night and then in the morning first thing we'd take him to the scratching post and run his paws over it. Then we'd back away and let him scratch. If he didn't scratch he went right back to the bathroom and we'd repeat this every hour. It took 2 days but he learned what we wanted him to do, once he started scratching we'd let him roam the house, if we saw him scratch somewhere we'd spray him and take him right back to the post. If the didn't scratch then he went back into the bathroom. We have had no issues since.

Things my cat does to annoy me? He likes to sleep at my feet on top of the covers, but if I move my feet in the middle of the night he'll attack them and bite the hell out of them.

Decide it's food time at 4am and cry for me to fill his bowl.

Come up loving on me but when he's had enough instead of moving away he'll bite me.

Attacks my ankles and feet ALL THE TIME!

Decides it's play time with the jingly bell balls as soon as we turn out the lights.

Take food from the bowl and "bury" it in the carpet, on the tile floor just where ever.

One thing we did to cut down on his begging for food was to take a coke bottle, cut a whole in the lid just large enough that a piece of cat food could fit through it. Then we filled the bottle 3/4 full of cat food and put the cap back on. He now has to puzzle the food out.

We've also trained him to walk on the treadmill for food.
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Why not? We name babies without meeting them and I dare say the kid's name matters more than the cat's.
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#22 Jan 12 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't say cat ownership is a 'life-changer' like having a kid or something. If you don't like the experience it's easy enough to get rid of a cat. And if you ***** up in raising a cat it probably won't cause nightmares. Smiley: grin



See, I disagree. This whole just dumping an animal you decide you don't like is just bizarre. You wouldn't dump a child, why would you dump and animal? A pet is a member of the family, it might as well be another child. Get rid of it? Bah, pets are a commitment for usually 10+ years and if you can't handle the vet bills, the food bills, the litter or the time then you should NOT be getting a pet.


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You've already named this cat before even meeting him?
Why not? We name babies without meeting them and I dare say the kid's name matters more than the cat's.


Not like he'll know or care what his name is anyway.

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#24 Jan 12 2009 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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While I agree that a pet can be a family member, I get annoyed at the assertion that they're equivalent to a child. If my kid was allergic to my cat, I'd be getting rid of the cat. I'd feel bad about it, I'd try to place it in a good home, I'd try to think of everything I could to make the transition easier for the animal, but the kid is the kid and the cat is the cat.

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I wouldn't say cat ownership is a 'life-changer' like having a kid or something. If you don't like the experience it's easy enough to get rid of a cat. And if you ***** up in raising a cat it probably won't cause nightmares. Smiley: grin



See, I disagree. This whole just dumping an animal you decide you don't like is just bizarre.
The difference - A cat is not a child. It's not a member of my family and never-ever would I put the well being of one of my family members on a level playing field with a non-human animal. We eat animals, we're ok with that. And while I'd probably not resort to 'eating' my pet cat if I no longer wanted it in my house, they are easy enough to get rid of without 'dumping' them.





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I'll make the token statement that housecats should be kept indoors. Outdoor cats kill birds, fight other cats, fight other urban fauna (raccoons, foxes, dogs, coyotes*, possums, skunks or whatever you guys have over there), pick up parasites both interior & exterior (you haven't lived until the cat craps on the rug and its filled with writhing worms), get hit by cars and, on average, live about 25% shorter lives than indoor cats.


Oh no, wouldn't want it to kill a few birds! God, that'd just be the end of the world, wouldn't it?

If you want to keep a cat, then you have to let it outdoors. If you want to keep a furry, impotent husk of an animal then sure, keep it indoors, take of its claws.
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