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#1 Jan 06 2009 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent

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So Russia has cut gas supplies and its affecting EU countries.

3 problems I see
1) Ukraine citizens are at real risk of very actually dying without gas at this time of year, its tantamount to blackmail
2) Its affected the EU, what will the response be? Investment in alternatives combined with negative thoughts to Russia?
3) Who is in the wrong here? Ukraine or Russia? Both?

I have only seen what is in the news (so not very informed). Anyone have any idea of whats really going on there?

I just spent some time crying over the thought of people from the Ukraine dying of freezing cold as they are missing gas and I'm just so dissapointed over the entire situation Smiley: frown

#2 Jan 06 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Excellent

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Anyone who thinks this is more than Putin flexing his e-peen at Ukraine and EU (to prove that he can) is reading waaaay too much into it.

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#3 Jan 06 2009 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent

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Nobby wrote:

Anyone who thinks this is more than Putin flexing his e-peen at Ukraine and EU (to prove that he can) is reading waaaay too much into it.

Flexing his E-peen will cost. People will not forget his power trip and it will most likely very actually kill people. Retribution is not very nice in the long term ....

#4 Jan 06 2009 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good

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Lady GwynapNud wrote:

Nobby wrote:

Anyone who thinks this is more than Putin flexing his e-peen at Ukraine and EU (to prove that he can) is reading waaaay too much into it.

Flexing his E-peen will cost. People will not forget his power trip and it will most likely very actually kill people. Retribution is not very nice in the long term ....

Heaven forfend a Russian premier puts his immediate local popularity before the national or international interest?

I'm shocked. Shocked, Isay!

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Flexing his E-peen will cost. People will not forget his power trip and it will most likely very actually kill people. Retribution is not very nice in the long term ....

Have you been to Ukraine in the last decade or so? People will absolutely forget this in the daily hustle and bustle of not getting shot in the face or starving to death.

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Smasharoo wrote:

Flexing his E-peen will cost. People will not forget his power trip and it will most likely very actually kill people. Retribution is not very nice in the long term ....

Have you been to Ukraine in the last decade or so? People will absolutely forget this in the daily hustle and bustle of not getting shot in the face or starving to death.

I was not talking about the Ukraine

Europe will realise it cannot afford to be blackmailed in the same way. My hope is it spurs alternative power sources.

These are not people to be dependant upon.

Edited, Jan 6th 2009 6:46pm by GwynapNud

#7 Jan 06 2009 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good

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Lady GwynapNud wrote:

Smasharoo wrote:

Flexing his E-peen will cost. People will not forget his power trip and it will most likely very actually kill people. Retribution is not very nice in the long term ....

Have you been to Ukraine in the last decade or so? People will absolutely forget this in the daily hustle and bustle of not getting shot in the face or starving to death.

I was not talking about the Ukraine

Europe will realise it cannot afford to be blackmailed in the same way. My hope is it spurs alternative power sources.

These are not people to be dependant upon.

"The" Ukraine?

You posting from The England?

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#8 Jan 06 2009 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent

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I was not talking about the Ukraine

Oh, what, the EU? Why does Putin care? What are they going to do, stop buying from Gazprom? Invade? The EU is nothing if not pragmatic, they'll ignore it and pay more for nat gas if it's in their interest to.

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#9 Jan 06 2009 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent

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Nobby wrote:

"The" Ukraine?

You posting from The England?

Gwyn and I shall form a club!

In Rhodesia.

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#10 Jan 06 2009 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good

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Jophiel wrote:

Nobby wrote:

"The" Ukraine?

You posting from The England?

Gwyn and I shall form a club!

In Rhodesia.

Ahem.

We now call it "The Zimbabwe"

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That's not what they told me in the Zaire

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#12 Jan 06 2009 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent

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Hey Joph,

Still remember your Personal PIN Number?

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#13 Jan 06 2009 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good

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Or the mass genocide.

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~~Personal~~ PIN ~~Number?~~

Fixed.

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#15 Jan 06 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good

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It did used to be called The Ukraine. So it's not entirely weird to call it that.

#16 Jan 06 2009 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent

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Smasharoo wrote:

I was not talking about the Ukraine

Oh, what, the EU? Why does Putin care? What are they going to do, stop buying from Gazprom? Invade? The EU is nothing if not pragmatic, they'll ignore it and pay more for nat gas if it's in their interest to.

Putin better be careful. He's running the risk of receiving a strongly worded letter.

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#17 Jan 06 2009 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good

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Which reminds me, "Himalaya" is already a plural word. It is The Himalaya, NOT The Himalayas. We don't say, The Rocky Mountainses.

And it is not Titanic, and it is not Earth. Neither are conscious in and of themselves, or a nation-state. It's The Titanic, and the Earth. Although I can tell English has already lost that one, the way it's almost entirely lost the -ly ending for adverbs, and lost the word "heating" in Australia for the word "hotting". It's totally weird to be old enough to have your own language change on you.

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It did used to be called The Ukraine. So it's not entirely weird to call it that.

Yeah, back when it was part of Russia (well, the USSR anyway), it was "the Ukraine" as in "the Ukraine region". Apparently, since becoming an independant nation, it's just Ukraine these days.

I still find myself calling it "the Ukraine" (which Nobby once sniffed at me for hence my comments in this thread). Old habits die hard.

Edited, Jan 6th 2009 10:19pm by Jophiel

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it is not Earth. Neither are conscious in and of themselves, or a nation-state. It's The Titanic, and the Earth.

"Earth" is the name of the planet. You don't say "The probe landed on the Mars", do you?

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#20 Jan 06 2009 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good

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Jophiel wrote:

Aripyanfar wrote:

it is not Earth. Neither are conscious in and of themselves, or a nation-state. It's The Titanic, and the Earth.

"Earth" is the name of the planet. You don't say "The probe landed on the Uranus", do you?

Fixed for my own amusement.

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Quote:

"Earth" is the name of the planet. You don't say "The probe landed on the Mars", do you?

it's because of the implied pieces of the sentence fragment.

We live on 'The planet Earth'.

We live on 'The (planet) Earth'.

We live on '(The planet) Earth'.

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Timelordwho wrote:

Quote:

"Earth" is the name of the planet. You don't say "The probe landed on the Mars", do you?

it's because of the implied pieces of the sentence fragment.

We live on 'The planet Earth'.

We live on 'The (planet) Earth'.

We live on '(The planet) Earth'.

But this works equally well:

We live on Earth.
Earth is the third planet from the sun.

Also, I rarely hear people say "the planet earth". It's almost always just "planet earth". Use of "the" is entirely contextual.

#23 Jan 06 2009 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good

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It is because that phrase is implied.

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In that case, I have no idea how you think people are using it incorrectly.

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#25 Jan 06 2009 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good

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Timelordwho wrote:

Quote:

"Earth" is the name of the planet. You don't say "The probe landed on the Mars", do you?

it's because of the implied pieces of the sentence fragment.

We live on 'The planet Earth'.

We live on 'The (planet) Earth'.

We live on '(The planet) Earth'.

Not according to the International Astronomical Union or the United States Geological Survey, Astrogeology dept.

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Aripyanfar wrote:

Which reminds me, "Himalaya" is already a plural word. It is The Himalaya, NOT The Himalayas. We don't say, The Rocky Mountainses.

Himalaya is not plural. It names one mountain range.

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