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Arafat was murdered?

Dude, we've got to deal in facts, here. The circumstances surrounding Yasser Arafat's death were far from definitive. He could just as well have died of AIDS as of poisoning.

I know I may seem pedantic, but it's not the first time in this thread that you've bent the truth. You're not going to be taken seriously if you continue to twist facts to support whatever line you're running.

I mean, right here;



I am almost totally certain that this is *********

we could just be dealing with a particularily evil mad scientist. It really would explain Sooo much.

You and I have touched on this before. I am sick of defending supposedly moderate people in this situations and watching them back the most fanatical and radical factions around. And, unlike in the linked thread, where we had the "But they can't stop those guys -- they have guns!" excuse, this time the civilians in question have empowered the nutcase ***** by electing them into power. And it wasn't even a close election if memory serves me right.

We also once discussed Hamas hiding behind old women as shields and Hamas throwing Fatah out of Gaza and declaring it their land now.

And, today, I'm supposed to be outraged when Israel launches attacks upon Hamas, after Hamas has been firing rockets at Israeli civilian centers, when Gaza civilians are killed? Not even because Israel was targeting civilians in Hamas fashion but because Hamas is once again hiding behind skirts and swingsets?

Fuck that. Fuck that and fuck the people who allow Hamas to do it. As I said years ago, the only way this changes is when the Muslim people who are getting fucked up the *** by these radical groups and their method finally say "getting fucked up the *** isn't a good idea any more."

When those people are electing the ***-fuckers, I don't really think that time has come and I have a real hard time throwing my ire instead at Israel for not wanting rockets shot at their cities.

If that makes me some tool of the "military-industrial complex" () then so be it. Because, yeah, I laways advocate war and stuff. But eventually I stop seeing reasons to cry for people who won't fucking do the bare minimum to help themselves. Like, you know, not giving a bunch of sick child-targeting fucks the Keys to the Kingdom.

Although Soulshaver and I obviously disagree on this issue, I must point out that he asked this in response to me asking if he'd condemn Hamas. I don't believe that he's interested in the destruction of Israel or anything else of the sort.

They have hundreds of nuclear devices buried underneath their villages. As soon as the Israeli forces are occupying... Boom. Kinda scorched earth... but they don't care.

Easy to judge half way across the world in your comfy little suburban life isn't it?

Blame whoever you want, but if intentionally killing others is to be condemned on one side, it must be condemned on the other.

Israel has power and support. Hamas doesn't have an infinite number of missiles, and they don't have unlimited range. There are ALWAYS other options.

Move them out of range.

If the goal is to reduce the deaths of civilians - children in particular as Joph seems to have a soft spot for um, then it's the outcome and not the actions that matter.

Many can rationalize Isreal's justification. Me, I can, but I don't think it's necessary and I don't think it's gonna tip the scale towards a more peaceful relationship between Israel and Palastine.







Edited, Jan 4th 2009 3:28am by Elinda

Knowing I'm not the best of debaters out there I will keep my quite on most things said here, but this really IS a bad solution.
Do you say the Israeli government should evacuate (a very rough estimation) 10% of it's total population? Do you think the government is able to make such a move?

What happens when a new generation of rockets with higher range appears? Evacuate Tel Aviv? Evacuate Jerusalem? Evacuate Haifa? When should it stop? When Israel have evacuated Metula and Eilat?

I'm not trying to personally attack you, so I'm sorry if I'm rather offensive, but I really don't agree with that solution.

Have a nice day, and hoping I'll have a better week than last one,
Yuval.

I'm so sorry that I live here. I guess that means I don't get to have an opinion on guys who try to get their children murdered

Wait... yeah, I do. They're shit. You're welcome to think better of them though if you'd like.Actually, it's Soulshaver who kept playing the "Murdered children!!" card as he'll readily admit. I'm just following his lead as he oddly kept ******** about Israel accidentally killing children as they struck Hamas and didn't spend any time at all on ******** about Hamas even after admitting that they really want Israel to kill Paletinian children in order to provoke further bloodshed.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2009 10:36pm by Jophiel

If I thought Israel was targetting the children, i might agree.

I don't so I don't.

Hey, here's a quick fix! Quit launching rockets at Israel! Then no one has to die! Hooray!!!

Spend some of your energy on that solution if you care about it.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2009 10:38pm by Jophiel

It's an option for Hamas though, right? As I said, if Israel stop, they get more rockets for their troubles. If Hamas stops then it's over. So spend your emotions on them. Write them a sternly written letter or something.

And let them know for me that I called them shit, okay? kkthx!

Oh, wait.. they don't care. Because they just want to see Israel destroyed and if it's not rockets then it's suicide bombers in Tel Aviv or waiting for Syria to give them better rockets or some other fucked up plan to kill as many Israelis as they possibly can. Even if they're out of rockets.

Hence why Israel has been put into this position between a rock and a hard place.

Edited, Jan 4th 2009 12:29am by Timelordwho