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I had you more as a "Fatteh-Nouveau" Ramallah apparatchik.

No, no, sneak into France.

Yes, it was. Or, I should say, this is what it always ends out being. Or did you just not bother to read the paragraph I wrote about how attempts to reconcile have consistently resulted in ever more violent splinter groups forming?

So "This time" it'll work? How about you tell that to the Israeli's who've suffered near constant rocket attacks while waiting for "this time" to be the time when the magical cease-fire fairy will make everything work out all right? Cause it hasn't worked yet...




As opposed to the ideas you espouse, which have been tried over and over for decades and haven't worked? How many times must Israel give up stuff just to meet for negotiations, then offer a ridiculously good deal, only to have the current leaders take it, then have a splinter group form a few months later, depose the leaders who promised the Israelis that fighting would stop and further demands would stop, and resume fighting and demanding yet more?

At some point, you have to realize that this process isn't working. At some point, you have to demand that the Palestinians show that they can maintain peaceful relations before demanding the Israel give up concessions. At some pointy, we really should blame the groups and people who are actually continuing and perpetuating this conflict. But for some strange reason, you're so caught up in the assumption that the Palestinians are the victims and therefore should never be held to account for their actions.

I'm sorry. I don't buy that.



No. They don't. You've just been so brainwashed into the idea that sprinkling magic peace-dust around will work that you don't see the reality. History and humanity shows us that the vast majority of conflicts are only resolved via a military action which is allowed to progress to it's end point (ie: there's a winner and a loser). Stepping in to stop said conflicts in the name of "peace" almost always result in a longer and bloodier conflict than if you'd just let them fight it out from the get-go.

But altruism trumps reality every time unfortunately. And so you idiots keep on insisting that even though the freedoms you enjoy every single day were won at the hard cost of massive military action with large civilian casualties and suffering that somehow this gives you the right to experiment with the conflicts of others by insisting that they fight always in half actions. You ignore what worked for you and apply non-tested social theories that make you feel better and more "civilized" back at home while massively increasing the suffering among those you view as ignorant savages suffering most from a lack of your own enlightenment.


So no. Damn you Nobby. Your self righteousness is false, and if you'd stop and look at how the world actually is instead of some imaginary dream version you haughtily think you can force upon the rest of the world, you'd know it.

You think they have that many security fence post tube rockets left?

The internet used to be made of tubes. Then hamas used them all to make rockets!

Nobody in here supports Hamas you racist twat.

This situation has some similarities to back in the day when the US colonies (Israel) were fighting Indians (Palestinians). These cultures were vastly different in everything from religion to the colors of their skin (Although to be fair, Judaism & the Muslim religion(s) have a lot more in common than Indian religions & Christianity). A bunch of white guys with bigger guns moved in (Israel)& pushed the Indians (Palestinians)out. Some Indians fought, others compromised, all Indians ended up getting screwed.

They were eventually given "reservations" (Palestine) & even some of those were given to the white people (Israeli settlements).

The Indians were very upset about all of this, but besides mostly unconventional warfare, there was little they could do to stop it.

They were outgunned & out manned.

But some of them never gave up & died for what they believed in.

Now, this didn't make it right when some Indians took slaves, raped women, & or killed women & children. A lot of the time, these were "rogue" elements, much like Hamas is a "rogue" element within the Arab world.

But after being **** on time after time, is it any wonder that the some of the least extreme Indians supported these rogue elements?

The solution back then was basically genocide, which worked! But in hindsight was a terrible fucking thing to do to any people regardless of their religion or color of their skin.

Should we have killed EVERY SINGLE Indian to prevent the taking of slaves, the raping of women, & the killing of women & children?

Hell no.

Sp then should Israel kill every Palestinian because of the actions of a few?

If Israel wanted to, they could turn Palestine into a parking lot. But hell, at least their attempting to only kill terrorists & not commit genocide.

Got to hand it to those Jews, they aren't a fan of the old Genocide.

Wonder why?

Also, it's too bad those Jews are so stingy with their $, otherwise Palestinian run casinos could be the answer!

I thought the whole point of the internet was so we could continue posting after WWIII.

I live 4 miles from a major military base, i get a bright light and a free cremation.

Edited, Jan 7th 2009 12:47pm by tarv

They say Omaha will be targeted, but I still think we get to deal with the fallout

This is like a verbal game of risk.

Actually, it isn't much like a verbal game of risk at all, but I wanted to say something.

By supporting actions that aid them

The way you aid Al Queda by using gasoline?

There are the same number of degrees.

I'm not arguing whether the flame is higher, Rather that the separation between flame and fuel is the same.