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#1 Dec 14 2008 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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A story in the news perked my interest,

Its surprised me and also made me so glad that Bangladesh has a legal system that will free women who are being forced into marriage. I guess my shock is nothing compared to the shock of the family involved! It pleases me to see this occuring and I'm really happy for the doctor. This backward tradition of forced marriage needs to be eradicated. A part of me would still like to see the family jailed just for thinking they could do what they tried ...

This case is extreme as talking to some friends, an arranged marriage can work. The difference is freedom of choice and involvement of the bride. One friend was involved in every step and had the support of her family in the final choice of husband and they now appear quite happy. It was not a marriage started from love, but the marriage may last longer as they both have clear expectations of each other and both expect the same from life. Its not as if we have a great success in the united kingdom with long term stable marriages to look down too hard on such things!

So what do people think here? Is arranged marriage evil and needs to be stopped? Personally I think its a mix. Forced marriage needs to be prevented but I like the idea of checking the groom fully before marriage. If we tried that in the UK we may end up with less disfunctional families and single parent households. Even if you fall out of love at times, at least your goals still match and you can work through the rest.
Maybe an Xfactor search with a 4 person panel of relatives would work Smiley: grin
#2 Dec 14 2008 at 2:12 AM Rating: Good
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Forced marriage bad
Arranged marriage mehh
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#3 Dec 14 2008 at 4:00 AM Rating: Good
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Hope they dont kill her to save face
#4 Dec 15 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I really need to ask what is the significance of this woman being a doctor?

Are social injustices more appalling when they hit a physician?


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#5 Dec 15 2008 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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I got the doctor bit as just explaining her story.
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#6 Dec 15 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
Elinda wrote:
Ok, I really need to ask what is the significance of this woman being a doctor?

Are social injustices more appalling when they hit a physician?




My thought is that it makes the headline more interesting. When people think "doctor" they usually think it's a male, which would make this story a little different.

But maybe that's just me.
#7 Dec 15 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Ok, I really need to ask what is the significance of this woman being a doctor?

Are social injustices more appalling when they hit a physician?




My thought is that it makes the headline more interesting. When people think "doctor" they usually think it's a male, which would make this story a little different.

But maybe that's just me.


Plus it accords her a certain status. This wasn't some rebellious teenager, but a woman of some accomplishment and (presumably) independence.
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#8 Dec 15 2008 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Plus it accords her a certain status. This wasn't some rebellious teenager, but a woman of some accomplishment and (presumably) independence.


You hit the proverbial nail on the head Smiley: nod

#9 Dec 15 2008 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Ok, I really need to ask what is the significance of this woman being a doctor?

Are social injustices more appalling when they hit a physician?




My thought is that it makes the headline more interesting. When people think "doctor" they usually think it's a male, which would make this story a little different.

But maybe that's just me.


Plus it accords her a certain status. This wasn't some rebellious teenager, but a woman of some accomplishment and (presumably) independence.
Right. A rebellious teenager should just suck it up and do what they're told.
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#10 Dec 15 2008 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Ok, I really need to ask what is the significance of this woman being a doctor?

Are social injustices more appalling when they hit a physician?




My thought is that it makes the headline more interesting. When people think "doctor" they usually think it's a male, which would make this story a little different.

But maybe that's just me.


Plus it accords her a certain status. This wasn't some rebellious teenager, but a woman of some accomplishment and (presumably) independence.


I read it more as emphasizing the fact that it wasn't some third-world tribeswoman this was happening to, but an educated first-world professional, thus underlining that this is a practice that is not isolated to remote and unsettled regions.

#11 Dec 15 2008 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Ok, I really need to ask what is the significance of this woman being a doctor?

Are social injustices more appalling when they hit a physician?




My thought is that it makes the headline more interesting. When people think "doctor" they usually think it's a male, which would make this story a little different.

But maybe that's just me.



I admit it, I thought it meant male freed from marriage.
#12 Dec 16 2008 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Is arranged marriage evil and needs to be stopped?

yup. But forced marriage is different than arranged marriage. Arranged is where the young ppl actually are for it wholeheartedly. You wouldn't think even arranged marriages happen anymore in democratic Eastern societies like India and Japan...but it does to some degree. Whenever a couple gets married in Japan for instance, lineage is important so they actually have services to check people's ancestral history. Many Japanese women who have fallen in love with an American man come to live in America because it's taboo to marry outside your race. That's still very true in asian countries.

Mistress GwynapNud wrote:
Personally I think its a mix. Forced marriage needs to be prevented but I like the idea of checking the groom fully before marriage. If we tried that in the UK we may end up with less disfunctional families and single parent households. Even if you fall out of love at times, at least your goals still match and you can work through the rest. Maybe an Xfactor search with a 4 person panel of relatives would work Smiley: grin

That's a nice idea. But the FIRST reason for forced marriage to begin with was so you marry your 2nd cousin and the money stays within the family. The SECOND reason (which is true today) is simply for prestige. I can see it now:

Daddy is so happy that his brilliant little girl became a doctor, he's told all his friends, and now he's a celebrity in his little town and wants to build on that by having her marry who HE wants her to...just the way his parents did.

She...having tasted the 'forbidden fruit' of a free social culture in the West, realizes how stupid forced marriage is, and tells them 'no' (though she obviously still loves them). The parents, being complete ********, tells her their mom is sick and to rush back. She flies 10000 miles and they tell her she's getting married to the guy who picks rice and is missing a few teeth. She loves them but freaks, writing to her friends in the UK to rescue her.


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As for arranged marriage, young ppl over there who are college students that have their parents choose for them will tell you it's better because "they don't have to worry about finding a partner".

But I mean come on, dating is fun. No young adult over here who has enough social skill to chill with ravers or hang out with a frat would consider it.

But in the East, there is no dating. Guys hang out with guys, chicks hang out with chicks. If you go to a festival in South Asia, you will see guys dance with other guys in social settings. They would consider any girl that dances a dirty little *****. In America, guys want girls on the dancefloor. I could tell you so many stories that would bend your ear back about how xenophobic they are and unwilling to empathize with Western social culture but I think this rant is long enough.

Asian people who have arranged marriages don't adjust to Western society if they come here because they have had someone else make all their social decisions for them. Arranged marriage creates social retards (but it works for a conservative, dull society where all they do is go to work and come home to ****). So that's all they do and want...which is boring.

On a lighter note, the doctor thing has nothing to do with it. Over there the only 2 courses colleges prepare them for are medical science and taxi cab driver. The rest pick rice or fish. And if you have a ******, you're still a 3rd world ***** for making daddy pay for your dowry. It ******* sucks.
#13 Dec 16 2008 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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I read it more as emphasizing the fact that it wasn't some third-world tribeswoman this was happening to, but an educated first-world professional, thus underlining that this is a practice that is not isolated to remote and unsettled regions.

This was my reaction.

I believe arranged marriages can sometimes be a useful dating procedure if both the bride and groom want to, by choice, put respect, shared values, shared aims and financial security over romantic love in looking for a partner.

It's not what I would choose, but if both partners are socially mature and independent adults (rather than over-sheltered and dependent children of any age) then that's something that can work for some people.

It goes without saying I think forced marriages, or even arranged marriages where the bride or groom haven't been allowed to grow up strong enough to stand on their own feet, are an abomination.
#14 Dec 16 2008 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know why someone rated Ari down up there.

It goes without saying that marriage should be consensual. Compare it to sex. Everyone's happy with consensual sex. Arranged sex, like prostitution, is a little emotionally detached and controversial but tolerated because both parties agree and there's really no intentional harm done. Forced sex is a crime. We have ages of consent to put a limit on how young someone can be before they can agree to intercourse; there are conceivably ages of consent for marriage.

consensual marriages = yay
arranged marriages = meh
forced marriages = no
#15 Dec 16 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Right. A rebellious teenager should just suck it up and do what they're told.


Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Smiley: rolleyes

People might or might not be inclined to believe something as frankly medieval as a forced marriage being imposed on a teenager, when the teenager is the source of the complaint. The fact that this person is a doctor, or at least an intern from the sound of it. tends to make her allegation more credible.

In the minds of those less all-wise than you, of course.
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#16 Dec 16 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Good, now she can get back in the bloody kitchen and do the ironing!
#17 Dec 16 2008 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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johnnny the Silent wrote:
Hope they dont kill her to save face


I saw that episode of Law and Order too. The husband killed the wife and fled back to the middle east after she testified against him in court.

I wonder if they really do stuff like that...
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#18 Dec 16 2008 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I wonder if they really do stuff like that...
It's not what you would call common, but yes they do.
#19 Dec 16 2008 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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