LONDON – A British television channel plans to show a film about an American man who commits assisted suicide at a Swiss clinic, reigniting debate over an issue that strongly divides opinion in Britain. Opponents called the broadcast a ratings-grabbing stunt.
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So? Sensationalist TV, or an important step toward acceptance of assisted suicide? I personally don't see anything wrong with assisted suicide, if it is completed in a very structured and accountable way. But, I'm a left wing nutjob.
What say you?
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What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
I don't really care about assisted suicide. Part of me feels as though it should be strictly regulated and monitored and all that and part of me goes "Fuck 'em. If someone wants to pay some dude to off them on a lark, go for it. More air for me."
A movie about it sounds really dull though.
A movie about it sounds really dull though.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm all for well regulated assisted suicide. It already happens - medical professionals have innocuous sounding code words for it.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I think if the people who were opposed to assisted suicide would watch it, maybe they'd learn something or see something that changed their opinion.
Chances are they won't though, and this will get a lot of attention, for a little while, then fade away and the debate won't change at all.
Chances are they won't though, and this will get a lot of attention, for a little while, then fade away and the debate won't change at all.
I have no problem with assisted suicide.
I really don't think I have a problem with televising it, watching it, letting the world watch it, etc.
I worry about media exploitation though. I'd hate to see someone who was not really sure about their desire to live or die, feel pressured to volunteer for a televised-assisted suicide for the money, or other postmortem perks for the family.
I really don't think I have a problem with televising it, watching it, letting the world watch it, etc.
I worry about media exploitation though. I'd hate to see someone who was not really sure about their desire to live or die, feel pressured to volunteer for a televised-assisted suicide for the money, or other postmortem perks for the family.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Eh, better that than suicide bombing civilians.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'm all for assisted suicide, but for people who are terminally ill, not for emos who cant hack living life. I never understood the concept of prolonging the life of a person who is going to die anyways, and making them suffer longer just because we medically can. When you know you are going to go I think it is ultimately up to the person to make their own choice of when and how.
Lady DSD wrote:
When you know you are going to go I think it is ultimately up to the person to make their own choice of when and how.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Lady DSD wrote:
When you know you are going to go I think it is ultimately up to the person to make their own choice of when and how.
Why do you think it's stupid, and why do you think that statement naturally follows the preceding?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
#10AshOnMyTomatoes,
Posted: Dec 10 2008 at 9:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I meant that saying you know you're going to die is a ****-poor excuse for committing suicide.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Samira wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Lady DSD wrote:
When you know you are going to go I think it is ultimately up to the person to make their own choice of when and how.
Why do you think it's stupid, and why do you think that statement naturally follows the preceding?
All suicide is stupid, I don't care the reason for it. Even if its someone who has a terminal illness. Its still a selfish act. The person could still contribute something to humanity, but they are selfishly removing themselves from it.
Wow.
That's the most moronic thing I've heard you say, Ash. I feel more stupid for having read it, and consider it a waste of my time to have done so.
So you think a person who is being majorly dosed with painkillers, lying around unable to work, and can not live on their own without these life sustaining drugs and painkillers, just waiting for the ticker to stop are selfish for wanting it to stop on their own terms? What about the cost of just keeping them alive for their family members? it aint cheap, yet families are forced to spend a lot just to keep their loved ones hanging in there until the body shuts down even after all the medical intervention.
You think it is selfish? On whose part? Does a loving member really want to keep their dying loved one around and suffering just so they can have a few extra months with them? Who is really the selfish one in that regards?
Edited, Dec 10th 2008 12:44pm by DSD
You think it is selfish? On whose part? Does a loving member really want to keep their dying loved one around and suffering just so they can have a few extra months with them? Who is really the selfish one in that regards?
Edited, Dec 10th 2008 12:44pm by DSD
#13AshOnMyTomatoes,
Posted: Dec 10 2008 at 9:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Defend that position, because I'm serious.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
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That's the most moronic thing I've heard you say, Ash. I feel more stupid for having read it, and consider it a waste of my time to have done so.
No need. Read DSD's post.
Furthermore, opinions like that reveal how truly sheltered your life has been. It's pretty damn clear from your perspective that you've neither encountered such a scenario nor entertained the thought for more than a mere second because it conflicts with your own personal morals, which probably aren't your own at all, but have been instilled upon you by your parents.
Edited, Dec 10th 2008 11:47am by BrownDuck
#15AshOnMyTomatoes,
Posted: Dec 10 2008 at 9:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do we define refusing medical help as assisted suicide?
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Do we define refusing medical help as assisted suicide?
Mmm, no, I wouldn't think so.
Have you ever known or been around someone who was dying in a truly awful way? Bone cancer once it hits the spine, for example? You can't imagine the level of unremitting pain. They basically have to be kept unconscious with morphine or an equivalent.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Great job, Ash. You're making me rate BD up. Have you any idea what it's like to sit and watch someone die? How much pain physically and emotionally there is? How about the stance that it is MORE selfish to force a person to hold on to a life that is nothing but pain for them? That they cannot participate and actually live because their body has failed them? Why not let them have the control and the release over their pain?
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Do we define refusing medical help as assisted suicide?
So, pulling the pull is not Euthanasia.
There is something to be said for letting the terminally ill live on...who knows what kind of experiences they might have, insights, final thoughts to share as they hang on the verge of death.
But, it's still a matter of choice...and having never been in the situation I could never make claims that choosing to die or choosing to live is cowardly, or bravery for that matter.
Edited, Dec 10th 2008 7:09pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Defend that position, because I'm serious.
Then you're a moron.
Saying no one should be allowed medically assisted suicide because "we're all gonna die anyway" is pretty much like saying "let's go rape virgins, because they're gonna have sex someday anyway."
The idea that someone who is assured of a protracted, agonizingly painful, and even humiliating decline and death due to terminal illness might NOT be allowed to decide of their own free will to skip that part and get to the inevitable conclusion is not only patently absurd, it's cruel and inhumane. We treat our beloved pets more kindly.
I'm very privileged to live in one of the two states that allows physician-assisted suicide, but regardless of where I live, if I find out that I'm terminally ill and that before the end any or all of the following will apply
1) I will suffer agonizing chronic pain unless I'm so doped on narcotics that I am no longer me
2) I will lose my physical faculties and will no longer be able to care for myself
3) I will lose my mental faculties to the point where I am no longer me
the I reserve the right to check out on my terms.
Ambrya wrote:
I reserve the right to check out on my terms.
But, does a doctor have a right or responsibility to do it for you?
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Why should assisted suicide be legal when there are so many ways for one to off themselves already?
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Elinda wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
I reserve the right to check out on my terms.
But, does a doctor have a right or responsibility to do it for you?
In this state, if I ask for his help, then yes. He doesn't have the right or responsibility to decide to do it without my consent, but that's not what we are discussing. We are discussing ASSISTED suicide, not euthanasia.
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Why should assisted suicide be legal when there are so many ways for one to off themselves already?
Because it can guarantee success, not to mention a painless one, and no mess to cleanup afterward.
Elinda wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
I reserve the right to check out on my terms.
But, does a doctor have a right or responsibility to do it for you?
Right? Yes. Responsibility? I guess if they are in that business, yes. My grandmother died from cancer. It started in her ovaries and before it was done it spread into uterus, her lymph nodes and it was horribly painful for her. It got to the point where she wasn't lucid anymore. She was in so much pain they'd maxed her morphine and it wasn't touching the pain for her. He (the doctor) finally told my mother how to turn the morphine dosage up to "let her go" and then he left the room. My grandmother died a few minutes later. I don't feel ashamed or mad at my mother. I feel that she gave my grandmother the release from her pain she wanted. I'm sure if my grandmother could have she'd have chosen the same course.
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In this state, if I ask for his help, then yes.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Why should assisted suicide be legal when there are so many ways for one to off themselves already?
Because some people are too weak from illness to off themselves.
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