Two die in Jet Crash in San Diego
FA-18 Jet. Ray was working at MCAS Miramar today, where the pilot was about to land. It looks like he was trying to land it in the canyon, away from the residential area and didn't make it.
The high school in that neighborhood was put on lockdown. I have some family that works and lives in that area and they said the smoke right after it happened was insane. Apparently, traffic still is horrendous.
Ray said the personnel on base went nuts right when it happened.
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Wow! I was just reading about this. It's horrible. I want to know how this happened, part of me is outraged that the pilot ejected safely while leaving everyone on the ground to die. The rational part of me KNOWS that isn't what happened and that this pilot will live with this haunting him forever. Heads are going to roll over this.
The rational part of me KNOWS that isn't what happened and that this pilot will live with this haunting him forever.
You cleanly don't know many pilots. I'd imagine he's laughing about it over drinks.
The good news is that if high school age boy was in the house, he'll get to travel through time and talk to a guy in a creepy bunny suit.
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Wow! I was just reading about this. It's horrible. I want to know how this happened, part of me is outraged that the pilot ejected safely while leaving everyone on the ground to die. The rational part of me KNOWS that isn't what happened and that this pilot will live with this haunting him forever. Heads are going to roll over this.
Reports say that it looks like the pilot was trying to keep the aircraft in the air until he could ditch it to the canyon, but lost altitude and went down. Where he crashed is right on the canyon's edge that is lined with houses.
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I want to know how this happened, part of me is outraged that the pilot ejected safely while leaving everyone on the ground to die.
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The rational part of me KNOWS that isn't what happened and that this pilot will live with this haunting him forever.
You cleanly don't know many pilots. I'd imagine he's laughing about it over drinks.
"Hahaha, hot damn! I knew it was time to bail when my landing gear took out that chimney! Woo boy, was it worth it just to see the faces of those kids!"
Pilots generally make Jason Statham in Crank look like a housewife on Valium.
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Smasharoo wrote:
The rational part of me KNOWS that isn't what happened and that this pilot will live with this haunting him forever.
You cleanly don't know many pilots. I'd imagine he's laughing about it over drinks.
The good news is that if high school age boy was in the house, he'll get to travel through time and talk to a guy in a creepy bunny suit.
I'm going to hope that's not true.
It missed me. That's a few miles south of where I live (I'm just north of the 5/805 merge).
Smash's statement to the contrary, pilots in that sort of situation have historically done everything they could to avoid casualties on the ground. In all likelihood, his efforts in this case made the difference between hitting a couple houses on the edge of a canyon or smacking into the middle of a neighborhood and taking out a half dozen houses (or say the huge shopping mall that is literally right on the other side of 805 from Miramar). No amount of trying is going to prevent the laws of physics from applying though...
As to being outraged? Honestly, it's one of the risks you take living under a flight path. And in terms of the numbers of bad things that could happen, this is really really far down the list. I'd match the statistical likelihood of having a fighter jet crash on your house against just about any other possible disaster any day. And unlike things like fire, earthquake, or floods, the survivors in this case will get a pretty significant settlement to boot.
I'm sure they'll find some maintenance thingie wasn't fixed properly, or there was some other mistake made and some folks will get fired, and money paid to the family, but at the end of the day, things break. It's a sad, cruel world I guess...
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Wow! I was just reading about this. It's horrible. I want to know how this happened, part of me is outraged that the pilot ejected safely while leaving everyone on the ground to die. The rational part of me KNOWS that isn't what happened and that this pilot will live with this haunting him forever. Heads are going to roll over this.
Smash's statement to the contrary, pilots in that sort of situation have historically done everything they could to avoid casualties on the ground. In all likelihood, his efforts in this case made the difference between hitting a couple houses on the edge of a canyon or smacking into the middle of a neighborhood and taking out a half dozen houses (or say the huge shopping mall that is literally right on the other side of 805 from Miramar). No amount of trying is going to prevent the laws of physics from applying though...
As to being outraged? Honestly, it's one of the risks you take living under a flight path. And in terms of the numbers of bad things that could happen, this is really really far down the list. I'd match the statistical likelihood of having a fighter jet crash on your house against just about any other possible disaster any day. And unlike things like fire, earthquake, or floods, the survivors in this case will get a pretty significant settlement to boot.
I'm sure they'll find some maintenance thingie wasn't fixed properly, or there was some other mistake made and some folks will get fired, and money paid to the family, but at the end of the day, things break. It's a sad, cruel world I guess...
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Poor poor airplane. 
It's always sad to see one of the dreams of the sky end up impaled on the cold hearth of the world, never to chase the clouds again.
Oh, and yeah people getting squiched by airplane is horrible too.
It's always sad to see one of the dreams of the sky end up impaled on the cold hearth of the world, never to chase the clouds again. Oh, and yeah people getting squiched by airplane is horrible too.
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Hubby said it's one of the FA/18 birds anyways and was being phased out for the Super Hornets anyways. That AC was going to end up in an airplane boneyard sooner or later. Guess sooner now.
Apparently they were just trying to reshoot an Optimum online commercial...
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It is actually very close to where I grew up. I knew kids who grew up a few houses away from the ones effected. It is possible, but unlikely, that I know the South Korean nationals who were killed.
Ironically just a couple miles to the east is a little park named after a pilot who crashed his plane into the canyon to avoid kids in the park and died in the crash.
Ironically just a couple miles to the east is a little park named after a pilot who crashed his plane into the canyon to avoid kids in the park and died in the crash.
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Poor poor airplane. It's always sad to see one of the dreams of the sky end up impaled on the cold hearth of the world, never to chase the clouds again.
It's always sad to see one of the dreams of the sky end up impaled on the cold hearth of the world, never to chase the clouds again.It had to be my favorite jet too. I love 18's. Contrary to this story, they really are wonderful aircraft that can take significant damage and still fly.
I am curious as to what kind of failure caused this plane to crash. I mean with it being a 2 engine plane, everything comes in pairs.
2 hydraulic systems, 2 engine systems, 2 auxiliary systems, 2 fuel systems, etc.
If one of the two systems fail, the other can carry the plane to safety quite easily. It just seems unlikely that both pairs of a system could fail.
Gbaji is right though, when you play with planes, crashes happen. Oh, and the pilot may not have even got the choice to eject, the systems on the f-18 will eject the pilot automatically under specific circumstances as fighter gets can do G's that will render anyone unconscious (Or so I'm told, I'm a engine/fuel/auxiliary systems tech, I don't mess with the ejection system). If a dual system failure happened, this could lead to said parameters being fulfilled and being ejected.
This crash?
Looks like he took out a family. I'm sure he did everything he could to avoid houses, but there's only so much you can do if there is a major malfunction.
I feel for the man who lost his family, and I gotta say it's admirable that he shows that kind of compassion and patriotism in the face of such tragedy.
Of course, he is an immigrant. If he were natural born I'm sure he'd be plotting his lawsuit and denouncing the military at the top of his lungs.
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SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- A Korean immigrant who lost his wife, two children and mother-in-law when a Marine Corps jet slammed into the family's house said Tuesday he did not blame the pilot, who ejected and survived.
"He is one of our treasures for the country," Yoon said in accented English punctuated by long pauses while he tried to maintain his composure.
"I don't blame him. I don't have any hard feelings. I know he did everything he could," said Yoon, flanked by members of San Diego's Korean community, relatives and members from the family's church. Watch Yoon discuss relatives' death »
Authorities said four people died when the jet crashed into the Yoon family's house while the pilot was trying to reach nearby Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. Another unoccupied house also was destroyed.
"He is one of our treasures for the country," Yoon said in accented English punctuated by long pauses while he tried to maintain his composure.
"I don't blame him. I don't have any hard feelings. I know he did everything he could," said Yoon, flanked by members of San Diego's Korean community, relatives and members from the family's church. Watch Yoon discuss relatives' death »
Authorities said four people died when the jet crashed into the Yoon family's house while the pilot was trying to reach nearby Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. Another unoccupied house also was destroyed.
Looks like he took out a family. I'm sure he did everything he could to avoid houses, but there's only so much you can do if there is a major malfunction.
I feel for the man who lost his family, and I gotta say it's admirable that he shows that kind of compassion and patriotism in the face of such tragedy.
Of course, he is an immigrant. If he were natural born I'm sure he'd be plotting his lawsuit and denouncing the military at the top of his lungs.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Poor poor airplane. It's always sad to see one of the dreams of the sky end up impaled on the cold hearth of the world, never to chase the clouds again.
It's always sad to see one of the dreams of the sky end up impaled on the cold hearth of the world, never to chase the clouds again.It had to be my favorite jet too. I love 18's. Contrary to this story, they really are wonderful aircraft that can take significant damage and still fly.
I am curious as to what kind of failure caused this plane to crash. I mean with it being a 2 engine plane, everything comes in pairs.
2 hydraulic systems, 2 engine systems, 2 auxiliary systems, 2 fuel systems, etc.
If one of the two systems fail, the other can carry the plane to safety quite easily. It just seems unlikely that both pairs of a system could fail.
Gbaji is right though, when you play with planes, crashes happen. Oh, and the pilot may not have even got the choice to eject, the systems on the f-18 will eject the pilot automatically under specific circumstances as fighter gets can do G's that will render anyone unconscious (Or so I'm told, I'm a engine/fuel/auxiliary systems tech, I don't mess with the ejection system). If a dual system failure happened, this could lead to said parameters being fulfilled and being ejected.
Ray was at Miramar when it happened. From what he heard, one engine went out, the pilot tried to afterburn (?) the other engine to make it to the canyon, the second engine went out and the pilot tried to keep control and head for the canyon. Physics and the law of gravity took over and he had to ditch.
That house is located literally across the street from the canyon. I know that area very well and for his flight path and everything, that canyon was the only one that he could have headed for in those conditions.
Update: 4 dead, Korean man sole family survivor
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-jetcrash10-2008dec10,0,2049016.story
Can you imagine coming home to that?
Poor guy.
Edited, Dec 10th 2008 12:20pm by BrownDuck
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-jetcrash10-2008dec10,0,2049016.story
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The South Korean immigrant's wife, two young daughters and mother-in-law are killed as an F/A-18 fighter smashes into their home. Engine failure is suspected.
Reporting from San Diego -- One day after an F/A-18D Hornet fighter jet fell from the sky and crashed into his two-story house in San Diego's University City neighborhood, Dong Yun Yoon returned to a home and life in ruins.
Rescue workers sifting through the debris on Cather Avenue had found the bodies of his wife, two baby daughters and mother-in-law.
Reporting from San Diego -- One day after an F/A-18D Hornet fighter jet fell from the sky and crashed into his two-story house in San Diego's University City neighborhood, Dong Yun Yoon returned to a home and life in ruins.
Rescue workers sifting through the debris on Cather Avenue had found the bodies of his wife, two baby daughters and mother-in-law.
Can you imagine coming home to that?
Poor guy.
Edited, Dec 10th 2008 12:20pm by BrownDuck
Given the footage, the plane had plenty of fuel onboard when it hit, so I doubt it got fuel starved. Possibly bad fuel, or the wrong fuel, but that would almost have to be deliberate.
It couldn't have been a clogged fuel pump, because that would have only killed the one engine. I suppose he might have been low enough that something FOD'd the second engine, or maybe the sudden afterburner stress threw a 1st stage blade.
I suppose if the failure of the first engine was somethign catestrophic, like a cracked casing and the flameout inside slagged the controlls for the other engine that might have done it too.
It couldn't have been a clogged fuel pump, because that would have only killed the one engine. I suppose he might have been low enough that something FOD'd the second engine, or maybe the sudden afterburner stress threw a 1st stage blade.
I suppose if the failure of the first engine was somethign catestrophic, like a cracked casing and the flameout inside slagged the controlls for the other engine that might have done it too.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Given the footage, the plane had plenty of fuel onboard when it hit, so I doubt it got fuel starved. Possibly bad fuel, or the wrong fuel, but that would almost have to be deliberate.
It couldn't have been a clogged fuel pump, because that would have only killed the one engine. I suppose he might have been low enough that something FOD'd the second engine, or maybe the sudden afterburner stress threw a 1st stage blade.
I suppose if the failure of the first engine was somethign catestrophic, like a cracked casing and the flameout inside slagged the controlls for the other engine that might have done it too.
It couldn't have been a clogged fuel pump, because that would have only killed the one engine. I suppose he might have been low enough that something FOD'd the second engine, or maybe the sudden afterburner stress threw a 1st stage blade.
I suppose if the failure of the first engine was somethign catestrophic, like a cracked casing and the flameout inside slagged the controlls for the other engine that might have done it too.
Well, any way that caused it, hubby told me that the all the aviation administration personnel and mechs that worked on this bird are probably stressing big time. He said that after 20 years as an AZ, he's glad that he never lost a bird and had to deal with a Class A Mishap.
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