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#1 Nov 29 2008 at 3:11 AM Rating: Good
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Last week the membership list of the British Nationalist Party was publicised on the internet. Why does this matter? It matters because the party is extreme far right. The intention policies of the BNP would make aparthied South Africa seem like a light touch. They can never be allowed any power.

The story of the member list is here

This leak passed me by initially. Who cares what a pool of crack pots think? I looked on with a mix of mild amusement and irritation. Amused that the BNP members were exposed but irritated that again privacy has been compromised with electronic data (its been a theme here for a while). What has changed is that I found out as a result of this lists publication that I knew a BNP member for a long time. My shock and horror at that fact have been with me for a while. How could I know someone who was a racist? Who truly believed in what the BNP stand for? I guess I feel betrayed but I also feel dirty for having had any association with them and that makes me angry.

The only amusing aspect being how they are fighting the lists publication using laws that they would like repealed Smiley: glare

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A BNP spokesman, Simon Darby, said: "If we find out the name of the person who published this list it will turn out to be one of the most foolish things they have done in their life." Griffin insisted this did not represent a threat of violence but the reality that the person faced prison for breaching a high court injunction. The BNP leader admitted the party was relying on the Human Rights Act, based on the European Convention on Human Rights, which it opposes, to try to protect the privacy of its members.


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#2 Nov 29 2008 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Nov 29 2008 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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identifying thousands of people as secret supporters of the far right and exposing many to the risk of dismissal from work, disciplinary action or vilification.


I dunno about the UK, but in the US, party affiliation isn't enough to get you fired. Infact, it'd be against the law. (Well, maybe if you worked for the Democratic Party and it was discovered you were a secretly registered GOP member? I dunno.) I don't believe the fact that you are a racist is enough either. Unless it is directly interfering with your line of work. It's not illegal to hate.
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Unless you were a secret member of the KKK sent to spy on the NAACP.
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#5 Nov 29 2008 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't be that messed up if it turned out a friend of mine was a racist. I know a South African guy whose family basically bailed out just before apartheid went down. They're not overtly supremacist, but there's plenty of pseudo-racism there, and he's a product of his surroundings. But apart from the scattered awkward moment it hasn't stopped me being friends with him. ****, it hasn't stopped a couple of black guys being friends with him.

I mean, you can be as racist as you want as long as you don't go around beating up black people. Which is probably what the BNP does in their spare time. Still, my gripe would be that they beat people up, not that they beat them up for reasons of race.
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#7 Nov 29 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't really understand how you can know someone for a long time and not realize that they are racist. I find out some people are racist after only knowing them for a day.
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I'm as anti BNP as you can get but at the end of the day freedom of speech and freedom of political affiliation should be exactly that.

You don't have to like their views but you do have to let them have it, so long as they do not break any laws or rules of the workplace they have just as much right to their views as I do, and the minute you start saying they don't you are as bad no you are WORSE than them.

The BNP is not an illegal organisation as disgusting as it is and people are legally allowed to join them, they should not be vilified or lose their jobs because of it.
#9 Nov 29 2008 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I find out some people are racist after only knowing them for a day.
It's a mistake to think the BNP is JUST about racism.
#10 Nov 29 2008 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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The BNP do have the Country's best interests at heart, they're just going about it in the wrong way. Vote Conservative!

What i mean is, imigration should be tightened. Based on what Australia does. You can't take up residence there unless you have skills. Same policy should be applied imo.

Edit: while at the same time you can't blame all a country's problems on immigration, it would certainly help if only skilled people/students were allowed to emigrate here. That's my opinion anyway.

Edited, Nov 29th 2008 3:29pm by Nilatai
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
it would certainly help if only skilled people/students were allowed to emigrate here. That's my opinion anyway.
So where do we ship out a fUcktard like you?

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#12 Nov 29 2008 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
The BNP do have the Country's best interests at heart, they're just going about it in the wrong way. Vote Conservative!


You should change your posting name, intelligence is something I fail to see.

Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
What i mean is, imigration should be tightened. Based on what Australia does. You can't take up residence there unless you have skills. Same policy should be applied imo.


Because obviously its all the foreigners causing the problems isn't it? Lets not look in house, oh no ... has to be someone else. Nevermind the wastrels on disability, those who seek to milk the benefits system and people who are "too intelligent" to work in jobs they see as below them.

Its all supply and demand, wastrels who will not work create the demand for immigrant labour. I'm all for deporting the wasters and giving residency to someone who is willing work. But then I am just a crazy *****, aren't I?
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
What i mean is, imigration should be tightened. Based on what Australia does. You can't take up residence there unless you have skills. Same policy should be applied imo.


Eh? We have a **** immigration policy. I've literally never heard it mentioned in a positive context before.
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
it would certainly help if only skilled people/students were allowed to emigrate here. That's my opinion anyway.
So where do we ship out a fUcktard like you?

Racist cUnt.


Racist how? By asking that only people with skills be allowed to move in. Doctors, Craftsmen, Nurses, things that our country is seriously @#%^ing lacking? People who will actualy contribute to our economy and work force and not just every single assylum seeker? Please.

That being said i'm all for the new intitiative that's been proposed, where people who've been on the dole for more than 6month have to serve manditory community service.

I didn't say it was all the foreigners fault at any point in my previous post. Our benefits system is way over used as it is. Adding more people to that system isn't going to help things now is it? You can't ignore these things just because bringing them up isn't @#%^ing politically correct.


The UK is going down the tubes i was briefly on jobseeker's after being made redundant from my previous job. The staff there see every week people who they know really don't try to find work, they just know they'll get more on JSA than on the Dole.

Right now we have record numbers of unemployment, illeteracy and homelessness in the UK. Instead of trying to fix the rest of the world's problems it's time to turn to internal policy. Homelessness, illiteracy and unemployment shouldn't be commonplace in an industrialised nation. We invented industry damn it, you'd think we'd be able to keep the populace in work!



Edited, Nov 29th 2008 4:47pm by Nilatai
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
By asking that only people with skills be allowed to move in. Doctors, Craftsmen, Nurses, things that our country is seriously @#%^ing lacking? People who will actualy contribute to our economy and work force and not just every single assylum seeker
By your reasoning, we should deport those who don't have specialist skills. Whatever entry criteria proposed by asshats like you, they would exclude a huge proportion of many people already resident in UK.

Unless of course, already living here gives you an innate superiority. . .

Ergo, racist. It's called logic, Einstein.

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#17 Nov 29 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Racist how? By asking that only people with skills be allowed to move in. Doctors, Craftsmen, Nurses, things that our country is seriously @#%^ing lacking? People who will actualy contribute to our economy and work force and not just every single assylum seeker? Please.


We only need skilled labour, really?

We need the labour as often the local populace will not work. There was a recent news report where they interviewed a young man and he said to the camera he would rather be on the dole than work on a farm Smiley: oyvey

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That being said i'm all for the new intitiative that's been proposed, where people who've been on the dole for more than 6month have to serve manditory community service.


This could be a tragic gimmic.

Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
I didn't say it was all the foreigners fault at any point in my previous post. Our benefits system is way over used as it is. Adding more people to that system isn't going to help things now is it? You can't ignore these things just because bringing them up isn't @#%^ing politically correct.


There is a difference from a small sect of immigrants abusing the system, to large scale deportation and restrictions as proposed by the BNP. Maybe you should chose more carefully who you align your belief system with?
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Yes, let's leave things how they are. That's gone well for us so far. I didn't say deport anyone, but you can't expect to be able to take in everyone and have everything be ok. Either close the boarders completely or have some kind of screening process.

I believe Canada won't let you in unless you have some kind of work lined up already. Does that make them racist as a whole?

Yes? You're a moron

No? You're a hypocrit.

So which is it?



Personally i'm voting Conservative, because it's either leave things as they are under Brown, or see if the Tories can live up to their promises. Lesser of two evils really.

I didn't really say i support the BNP. Not exactly anyway. If they ever got into power we'd have a **** party 2.0 situation on our hands.

Whatever, the UK needs a major shake up.

Edited, Nov 29th 2008 4:54pm by Nilatai
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
I believe Canada won't let you in unless you have some kind of work lined up already. Does that make them racist as a whole?


Actually, they are leaning a little to the right. Stopping immigrants with disabled children.

Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Personally i'm voting Conservative, because it's either leave things as they are under Brown, or see if the Tories can live up to their promises. Lesser of two evils really.

Hardly ideal.

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I didn't really say i support the BNP. Not exactly anyway. If they ever got into power we'd have a **** party 2.0 situation on our hands.
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The BNP do have the Country's best interests at heart


Uh huh

Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Whatever, the UK needs a major shake up.

On that we can agree as the incumbants are rather like Bush, well past the use by date. The problem I have is that I do not wish to vote for any of the rest Smiley: lol Does Obama have family in the UK?
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
I believe Canada won't let you in unless you have some kind of work lined up already. Does that make them racist as a whole?


Actually, they are leaning a little to the right. Stopping immigrants with disabled children.


Really? Hm, guess that's out.

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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Personally i'm voting Conservative, because it's either leave things as they are under Brown, or see if the Tories can live up to their promises. Lesser of two evils really.

Hardly ideal.

Unfortunately in politics, there is rarely an ideal outcome, just the lesser of two evils. Even then things will turn out pretty crap.

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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
I didn't really say i support the BNP. Not exactly anyway. If they ever got into power we'd have a **** party 2.0 situation on our hands.
Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
The BNP do have the Country's best interests at heart


Uh huh

Hm, a poor choice of words there. I can certainly see how that came off.

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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Whatever, the UK needs a major shake up.

On that we can agree as the incumbants are rather like Bush, well past the use by date. The problem I have is that I do not wish to vote for any of the rest Smiley: lol Does Obama have family in the UK?


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On that we can agree as the incumbants are rather like Bush, well past the use by date. The problem I have is that I do not wish to vote for any of the rest Does Obama have family in the UK?
The Labour party are nothing like as bad for the Uk as the Pubbies have been for the US over the last 8 years.

Thats a extremly bad comparison and doesn't hold up to any sort of close inspection.

And a British Obama is not the answer to the UK's problems either, any more than David Cameron is.

It's not Britain that needs a shake up it's Whitehall.
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Thats a extremly bad comparison and doesn't hold up to any sort of close inspection.

I was being tongue in cheek. In reality Labour are not hungry enough for power. They have exhausted the vision and drive they possessed as they came to power. They lack freshness in their leader, vision, direction and the chancellor looks like Sam the Eagle

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And a British Obama is not the answer to the UK's problems either, any more than David Cameron is.

But I would feel better about voting Smiley: nod

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It's not Britain that needs a shake up it's Whitehall.

Smiley: clap I agree, the problem is, when has it not needed one? Smiley: dubious

Edited, Nov 29th 2008 5:21pm by GwynapNud
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Go to your local MP with a problem, see what he does about it.
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Go to your local MP with a problem, see what he does about it.
I have twice, once in 1989 to the late great Sir Cyril Smith, dispite being a 14 year old with a trivial problem in retrospect he listened and dealt with my issue with respect and changed something to help me out

The Second time was in 2002 when I address Linda Gilroy with a far more serious issue as an adult in a responcible job and got treated like an interloper who should gtfo as quickly as possible without making waves.
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A few months ago i aproached my local MP with queries about development of the scientific community. He more or less laughed it off. Smiley: disappointed
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MPs don't have an enormous amount of power in the first place. What they do have if you're lucky is a good understanding of government / Social Services and an ability to put you in contact with a person who can help you. I guess how willing they are to do that varies considerably.

Nilati, the reason you don't live up to your "intelligent" title is that you conflate two seperate issues of "lazy people / people who don't contribute" and "immigrants". Having worked for a waiting agency composed of 60% Polish people who happily work 3 12 hour shifts back to back for £5.50/h I feel comfortable saying:

That's completely wrong and lumping the two togethor, ignoring other factors that have created the "lazy people / people who don't contribute" portion of our society is downright ignorant and a little suspect.

Even if you had made that distinction, your point is so poorly developed that coming up with a rational response to it is like painting my room with a ball point pen. Tedious.


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