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Each of my choices was the majority opinion when I voted. So I suppose I can take some solace in the notion that it shouldn't be too hard to reach a consensus on these.
And you'll know the Lizard People when you see 'em.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The only one that truly shocks me is number 2. What next, you left some DNA on the voting slip so its void?
It's pretty interesting to see how just an inadvertent pencil mark can make a ballot questionable.
BE CAREFUL VOTERS!!
BE CAREFUL VOTERS!!
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
The only one that truly shocks me is number 2. What next, you left some DNA on the voting slip so its void?
then again, #8 & #10 show pretty clear intent -- and not for Coleman.
Edited, Nov 20th 2008 10:17am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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#9 is pretty lame on the part of the Franken campaign.
then again, #8 & #10 show pretty clear intent -- and not for Coleman.
then again, #8 & #10 show pretty clear intent -- and not for Coleman.
You could argue that technically they did add extraneous markings that invalidated the ballet paper. Thats nonesense though as that does not account for human behaviour and natural errors being made.
If you make an error on the ballot like those shown, are you able to ask for a fresh ballot and start again to ensure your vote is counted? If not, thats just not democratic.
Edited, Nov 20th 2008 11:20am by GwynapNud
GwynapNud the Irrelevant wrote:
If you make an error on the ballot like those shown, are you able to ask for a fresh ballot and start again to ensure your vote is counted? If not, thats just not democratic.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I would say that if the ballot is clearly marked, it should be counted that way. For ballot 6, if you aren't intelligent enough to fill in the circle as it's clearly indicated, the ballot should be rejected. Ballot 8 on the other hand is pretty clearly a vote for Franken, while 9 is pretty clearly for Barkley. 11 should be rejected and counted neither way.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
It seems like a lot of the votes on how they should be counted are heavily influenced by party ties. My view, most of those should just be thrown out for being spoiled. The voters should have gotten a new ballot.
The Poll workers should run a check over the ballots when they get them for these types of errors, but that would infringe on privacy, so maybe some really big clear signs by the ballot box would work... maybe.
The Poll workers should run a check over the ballots when they get them for these types of errors, but that would infringe on privacy, so maybe some really big clear signs by the ballot box would work... maybe.
The lizard people win anyway you look at it.
So the one with the eraser marks (#9): is the ballot filled in with ink or pencil? And what should have it been filled in with?
They always gave me a pen when I voted but Lord only knows what they do up there in Minnesota, land of Wrestler Governors, Marge Gunderson and politically active Lizard People.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
My votes each agreed with the majority as well.
I was going on the basis of the statement at the top that if you can determine intent, even if they fuck up, it's valid.
Jophiel wrote:
They always gave me a pen when I voted but Lord only knows what they do up there in Minnesota, land of Wrestler Governors, Marge Gunderson and politically active Lizard People.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Lord, even in Hickville, Tennessee we've got electric voting machines.
trickybeck wrote:
My votes each agreed with the majority as well.
I was going on the basis of the statement at the top that if you can determine intent, even if they fuck up, it's valid.
I was not with the majority on many. Meh.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Lord, even in Hickville, Tennessee we've got electric voting machines.
WHO'S voting now!?
Honestly, I've not voted in MN for nearly two decades. But this most recent election here in Maine, I used the comforting #2 pencil (it's trustworthy).
Edited, Nov 20th 2008 8:07pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Elinda wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Lord, even in Hickville, Tennessee we've got electric voting machines.
WHO'S voting now!?
Honestly, I've not voted in MN for nearly two decades. But this most recent election here in Maine, I used the comforting #2 pencil (it's trustworthy).
Edited, Nov 20th 2008 8:07pm by Elinda
Um... back-up generators?
Never thought about it honestly.
Belki's lying. We don't have power in Tennessee.
Not to start another boring voting machine debate but I'm comforted to know that they can perform a hand recount (and try to determine intent) even if it means sighing over how dumb some folks are.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Belki's lying. We don't have power in Tennessee.
Let me have my illusions, woman.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Belki's lying. We don't have power in Tennessee.
Let me have my illusions, woman.
Next you'll be telling them the Chevy in your front yard on blocks isn't yours.
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Belki's lying. We don't have power in Tennessee.
Let me have my illusions, woman.
Next you'll be telling them the Chevy in your front yard on blocks isn't yours.
Those aren't blocks. They're square tires.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Lord, even in Hickville, Tennessee we've got electric voting machines.
We had 3 at the voting center I went to this year. Both this election and the last, there was a significantly longer wait for the electronic machines than if you did a paper ballot. I'm too impatient to wait, so I've yet to try one of those high-tech jobbers out.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Kakar the Great wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Lord, even in Hickville, Tennessee we've got electric voting machines.
We had 3 at the voting center I went to this year. Both this election and the last, there was a significantly longer wait for the electronic machines than if you did a paper ballot. I'm too impatient to wait, so I've yet to try one of those high-tech jobbers out.
You're not missing much, honestly.
I find #5 particularly interesting. Note that in the section above, he wrote in "Lizard People" and marked that as his vote, yet in the section with Franken, he wrote in Lizard People, but marked Franken. One can only assume that he intended to vote a straight Lizard People ballot, got to the Senate section and realized that one was already on there...
That honestly explains a lot.
That honestly explains a lot.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
One can only assume that he intended to vote a straight Lizard People ballot, got to the Senate section and realized that one was already on there.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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