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#1 Nov 20 2008 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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...not just for fun and games.

There's been no discussion about the Somali pirates, though I'm sure everyone has heard about the all the ships, along with their crews and cargo, being taken hostage recently. Most noticeably a super-tanker filled with crude.

How much more will Saudi take before they just go bomb the **** out Somalia's ports?

I'm thinking the pirates know that this is a non-sustainable income stream, and so, have upped the rate of capture to get as much of the gettin' while the gettin' is good.

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What we want from this ship is only 25 million dollars because we always charge according to the quality of the ship and the value of the product,'' a pirate who identified himself as Abdi Salan, one of the hijacking gang, said in a phone interview from Harardhare.
No mention of what will happen to the ship it's crew and cargo if the ransom is not paid.

An enterprising Brit is prepared to provide pirate deterrence for your vessel...for a price.
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A former British army pilot recently launched a business called Anti-Piracy Maritime Security Solutions. For $30,000, Nick Davis will arrange a team of three private guards to travel on a boat, and scare away potential pirates. He has teams right now on seven ships in the Gulf of Aden. Davis tells Steve Inskeep that the guards do it all without guns.
(who needs guns?)

Will Somalia be called to account for its wayward sailors?

Will the Pirate Captain be commissioned to write a book and provide guidance in a made for TV real life drama movie.






edited due to apostrophe over-indulgence.

Edited, Nov 20th 2008 8:25pm by Elinda
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#2 Nov 20 2008 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Nov 20 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
a pirate who identified himself as Abdi Salan
Muslim Pirates 4tW!!

All'arrr H'u Aq'barrrrrrrr!

Smiley: lol
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#4 Nov 20 2008 at 7:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why the Oil companies haven't built a few Q-ships to deal with this by now is beyond me.
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#5 Nov 20 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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Lady Tare wrote:
Will sales of eyepatches and blouses enjoy a healthy holiday season profit??


Prince can make a comeback!
#6 Nov 20 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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I've watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean' and spent 2 seconds with a wiki so consider myself an netexpert on these things.

As such, my only question is, will they break the curse?
#7 Nov 20 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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GwynapNud of the Seven Seas wrote:
I've watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean' and spent 2 seconds with a wiki so consider myself an netexpert on these things.

As such, my only question is, will they break the curse?
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#8REDACTED, Posted: Nov 20 2008 at 7:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it is about insurance.
#9 Nov 20 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Will Somalia be called to account for it's wayward sailors?
Call who into account? Somalia'a nonexistant government? The whole reason they operate out of Somalia is because Somalia is incapable of maintaining protections along its coast.

My understanding was that the piracy has worked so far because it was worth it to the shipping companies to spend $50,000 on ransoms to get their ship, crew & cargo back. I believe the supertanker was worth something around $100mil empty (plus $100mil in cargo). That's 12.5% of the ship/cargo's value as a ransom payoff which is a pretty big jump. This might be a tipping point although, realistically, you can't just send a few more naval ships and expect a change. It's a vast region, made vaster by the extended reach of the pirates, and and you basically need a naval vessel right there at the time of the incident to be of any help. By the time one gets to where the attack is happening, the pirates already have the ship hostage. I wonder if we'll start seeing more of a convoy system in the region, protected by international forces.
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#10 Nov 20 2008 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Hah, the pirates are tree-huggers.
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Somali pirates have accused European firms of dumping toxic waste off the Somali coast and are demanding an $8m ransom for the return of a Ukranian ship they captured, saying the money will go towards cleaning up the waste.

The ransom demand is a means of "reacting to the toxic waste that has been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years", Januna Ali Jama, a spokesman for the pirates, based in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, said.

"The Somali coastline has been destroyed, and we believe this money is nothing compared to the devastation that we have seen on the seas."
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#11 Nov 20 2008 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
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as long as no one gets killed, it is a victimless crime.


Sweet! I'm going on a raping spree!
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Speaking of, the rationale some pirates are using is that their fishing stocks are being depleted by foreign vessels. Which is true to some extent -- without the ability to run their own coastal navy, the Somali government is helpless to prevent foreign trawlers from entering their waters and illegally fish there. It happens a good bit.

On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that these pirates are looking to return to a life of fishing.
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#13 Nov 20 2008 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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shadowrelm wrote:

as long as no one gets killed, it is a victimless crime.


Sweet! I'm going on a raping spree!
Leave no marks and it's consensual;)
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#14 Nov 20 2008 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:

On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that these pirates are looking to return to a life of fishing.
They'd have to regear for fishing.





Edited, Nov 20th 2008 5:49pm by Elinda
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Elinda wrote:
Jophiel wrote:

On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that these pirates are looking to return to a life of fishing.
They'd have to regear for fishing.
"We're going to need a bigger boat. And a .50cal machine gun."
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#16 Nov 20 2008 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, because of these pirates, business is good at my company for the moment. We like pirates, even though I can't participate in Talk Like a Pirate Day.
#17 Nov 20 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:

Will Somalia be called to account for it's wayward sailors?

Will the Pirate Captain be commissioned to write a book and provide guidance in a made for TV real life drama movie.

Will Elinda learn the proper use of punctuation?
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Debalic wrote:
Elinda wrote:

Will Somalia be called to account for it's wayward sailors?

Will the Pirate Captain be commissioned to write a book and provide guidance in a made for TV real life drama movie.

Will Elinda learn the proper use of punctuation?
..there is the teaching an old dog new tricks thing.

Is it simply the missing question mark?




Edited, Nov 20th 2008 8:09pm by Elinda
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#19 Nov 20 2008 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Rampant abuse of apostrophes.

Well, maybe not rampant, I see only two instances right away, but still, you suck at teh engrish.
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#20 Nov 20 2008 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Rampant abuse of apostrophes.

Well, maybe not rampant, I see only two instances right away, but still, you suck at teh engrish.
Honestly, I've never had any formal schooling in punctuation beyond grammar school. I went to HS in the 70's. We only had to balance a checkbook to graduate. College, for me, was an IT school where that liberal arts stuff was for dummies:D

That said, my spelling and grammar is being checked by my browser - blame Google.

Google's spell checker, btw, doesn't like google as a verb. It always wants to capitalize it.
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#21 Nov 20 2008 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I know, I'm just being an ***.

Never finished high school or went to college, but 4 out of 6 of my immediate family members are or were teachers and I've always read very highly.

That's funny, though, about google. Firefox does the same thing!
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#22 Nov 20 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
Actually, because of these pirates, business is good at my company for the moment. We like pirates, even though I can't participate in Talk Like a Pirate Day.


Since these are Somali pirates does that mean on Talk Like a Pirate Day, we can no longer say "Arrrgh, shiver me timbers" etc, but instead have to say things like "Ach mullala hallala mulla hach malach!!" ?
#24 Nov 20 2008 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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shadowrelm wrote:
it is about insurance.

first it is international waters...
as long as no one gets killed, it is a victimless crime. it has been so far anyway...


Not all of these incidents occur in international waters. I believe the most active pirate waters are Malacca Straits, between Malaya and the Indonesian Island of Sumatra. The waters there are either Indonesian or Malayan... no international waters involved.

Additionally, people have already died from modern day piracy. The problem with putting armed men aboard the ships to repel pirates is that many of the countries through whose waters these ship travel, forbid them from carrying weapons.

It is not a victimless crime in any sense. All the costs, for ransom, insurance, increased security get passed along to the consumer. So, no its not about insurance.
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The problem with putting armed men aboard the ships to repel pirates is that many of the countries through whose waters these ship travel, forbid them from carrying weapons.
Another problem is that the companies who own the ships would often rather pay a random for the ship's safe return than to have their crew get into a gunfight with a boatload of RPG armed Somalis. that's probably a good way to lose a vessel and cargo.


And some sailors I guess but you can always hire more of those

Edited, Nov 20th 2008 5:38pm by Jophiel
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Just as the British merchants used to pay off the pirates for safe passage, knowing the pirates would then attack ships of other nations, thereby reducing competition even more.
Ocean big, ships slow, fast pirate ships and an unwillingness for mercants to fight back. Why risk their necks when its the companies money and not yours as a merchant seaman. Let the pirates kill a few crew and the story will change.

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