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#202 Nov 17 2008 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry Flea. I can't. Because for me, this issue isn't about emotion.
Without emotion, your side doesn't have a leg to stand on
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I find it upsetting that people are more concerned with these lumps of cells than even the children that are born, abused, and neglected.
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I find it even more upsetting disturbing that people are more concerned with these lumps of cells than the (possibly) productive human carrying them
I find it funny that people be concerned with some woman's lumps of cells at all. If you want to agree those lumps of cells are not yet a human, the reasons for destroying them are irrelevant.


Edit for clarification. The first quote is on the topic of gay marriage (Im pretty sure), while the second is abortion. I put a line between them:D

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#203 Nov 17 2008 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
I find it funny that people be concerned with some woman's lumps of cells at all.
I enjoy handling certain "lumps of cells" that belong to a certain woman, thank you very much.
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#204 Nov 17 2008 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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But if given enough time, the person will grow to be a fully functioning adult, the same as you and me.


And if given enough time that fully functioning adult will die of old age.

What's your point?

Edit: Tags > Me.

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#205 Nov 17 2008 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
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Huh? I voted for prop8. I've written at length my reasons for doing this. I've posted for almost two weeks on the subject. How much more "overt" do I need to get here?
You could, you know, actually respond to joph's counter argument rather then just ignoring it and talking about ****'s.

If that's too much for you, you could at least recognize the legitimacy of the emotional side. That's not the same as, God forbid, admitting you could be wrong, but it is recognizing that love and marriage have too much emotion wrapped up in them to be divorced.

Either way, your one feeble point about marriage being utterly and solely for kids is not standing up well, and however many words you type nothing is going to change it. You ignore the counter arguments, because frankly your position is indefensible.
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#206 Nov 17 2008 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Xsarus, I think what he was trying to get across with that bit you quoted was that he really doesn't want to be arguing against what his actual beliefs are, hence the half-assed argument.

Maybe I'm just being optimistic, though.
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#207 Nov 17 2008 at 10:04 PM Rating: Good
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So it's not okay to appeal to emotion for same-sex marriage, but it is okay to appeal to constant fear of nuclear attack by freedom-hating terrorists? Smiley: dubious
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#208 Nov 17 2008 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
So it's not okay to appeal to emotion for same-sex marriage, but it is okay to appeal to constant fear of nuclear attack by freedom-hating terrorists? Smiley: dubious
Yes, because if we let nuclear gays marry, the terrorists will win Powerball.
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#209 Nov 17 2008 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
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You may claim semantics are at play here, but the tricks you play on your conscience to assauge any guilt for rationalizing the ending of a human life doesn't change the fact that what is growing inside a woman is a human being, albeit a very small one.

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Pretty egotistical there Totem. How are you so sure the mind tricks are not yours, based in childhood religious brainwashing that human life is divine, begins at conception and, is given and taken only by some higher power?



I'm pretty sure you cannot argue that a fetus is not alive. It may not be considered a sentient being, but it's definitely alive.

You're both presenting vastly oversimplified and incredibly stale versions of each other's arguments. This is all totally irrelevant to the topic of gay marriage.
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#210 Nov 18 2008 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure you cannot argue that a fetus is not alive. It may not be considered a sentient being, but it's definitely alive.

Which is why Elinda said human life, by which she means "is a person." The gametes are also alive, so what?

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#211 Nov 18 2008 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
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I'm pretty sure you cannot argue that a fetus is not alive. It may not be considered a sentient being, but it's definitely alive.

Which is why Elinda said human life, by which she means "is a person." The gametes are also alive, so what?

Edited, Nov 18th 2008 2:25am by Allegory


It's stupid that we're even discussing the semantics of it. Totem put it forward to divert the topic and Elinda jumped for the bait like some eager little left-wing trout.

Besides, what's your definition of human life?
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#212 Nov 18 2008 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Totem put it forward to divert the topic and Elinda jumped for the bait like some eager little left-wing trout.

Totem made a somewhat brash comment about the self manipulation of liberals and Elinda responded in turn with a similar statement. I don't see your issue with this.
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Besides, what's your definition of human life?

When I hear the word human I think of of the biological definition: People, babies, fetuses, zygotes, gametes, the whole shebang. If it has **** sapien (sapien?)* DNA in it then it has human life.

*Let's not discuss that last term.

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#213 Nov 18 2008 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
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If it has **** sapien (sapien?)* DNA in it then it has human life.
Weep for my toenail clippings Smiley: frown
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#214 Nov 18 2008 at 5:15 AM Rating: Decent
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zepoodle wrote:
Elinda wrote:
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You may claim semantics are at play here, but the tricks you play on your conscience to assauge any guilt for rationalizing the ending of a human life doesn't change the fact that what is growing inside a woman is a human being, albeit a very small one.

Totem
Pretty egotistical there Totem. How are you so sure the mind tricks are not yours, based in childhood religious brainwashing that human life is divine, begins at conception and, is given and taken only by some higher power?



I'm pretty sure you cannot argue that a fetus is not alive. It may not be considered a sentient being, but it's definitely alive.

You're both presenting vastly oversimplified and incredibly stale versions of each other's arguments. This is all totally irrelevant to the topic of gay marriage.
OMFG, yeast cells are alive - STOP THE BREAD!! I wasn't presenting an argument - just griefing Totem. Back off butthead.
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#215 Nov 18 2008 at 5:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
zepoodle wrote:
Totem put it forward to divert the topic and Elinda jumped for the bait like some eager little left-wing trout.

Totem made a somewhat brash comment about the self manipulation of liberals and Elinda responded in turn with a similar statement. I don't see your issue with this.
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Besides, what's your definition of human life?

When I hear the word human I think of of the biological definition: People, babies, fetuses, zygotes, gametes, the whole shebang. If it has **** sapien (sapien?)* DNA in it then it has human life.

*Let's not discuss that last term.
**** sapiens. Technically **** sapiens sapiens, but the only other subspecies, **** sapiens idaltu died out long ago.

And by your definition, your saliva, hair, and fecal matter all constitute human life.
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#216 Nov 18 2008 at 5:19 AM Rating: Decent
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OMFG, yeast cells are alive - STOP THE BREAD!! I wasn't presenting an argument - just griefing Totem. Back off butthead.


I don't get why you were even entertaining the matter when he's basically just trolling.
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#217 Nov 18 2008 at 7:14 AM Rating: Default
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zepoodle wrote:
Elinda wrote:
OMFG, yeast cells are alive - STOP THE BREAD!! I wasn't presenting an argument - just griefing Totem. Back off butthead.


I don't get why you were even entertaining the matter when he's basically just trolling.


Counter-trolling. The problem is that it doesn't work. You beat trolls by ignoring them..
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#218 Nov 18 2008 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Neither of you knows Totes or his relationship to this forum.

Yes, he trolls; but his trolling is backed up with a little bit of intelligence and (some) underlying serious thought. It is for the most part high-quality, provocative trolling.

Not so much when he saunters over and pokes the moogle-pokers, of course; but for the most part here.

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#219 Nov 18 2008 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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zepoodle wrote:
Elinda wrote:
OMFG, yeast cells are alive - STOP THE BREAD!! I wasn't presenting an argument - just griefing Totem. Back off butthead.


I don't get why you were even entertaining the matter when he's basically just trolling.


Counter-trolling. The problem is that it doesn't work. You beat trolls by ignoring them..
wtf, my choices are totem, gbaji, or varus. It's pretty clear here who's gonna get my responses.

But gee, glad the experts are here to explain forum behaviors to us.
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#220 Nov 18 2008 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't get why you were even entertaining the matter when he's basically just trolling.
'Cause otherwise we'd be left with ding & birthday threads.
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#221 Nov 18 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
zepoodle wrote:
I don't get why you were even entertaining the matter when he's basically just trolling.
'Cause otherwise we'd be left with ding & birthday threads.


And Air Supply.
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#222 Nov 18 2008 at 9:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I still maintain my staunch opinion that Elinda is a stupid cunt.
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#223 Nov 18 2008 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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I like Elinda. If nothing else, she's from Maine and I like Mainers.
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I like Elinda. If nothing else, she's from Maine and I like Mainers.
Yes, but you're professionally trained to deal with heavy-browed mongoloids like her. And god bless you for it, Anna. It's a nasty job, but someone has to do it.
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#225 Nov 18 2008 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I still maintain my staunch opinion that Elinda is a stupid cunt.
I bet you say that to all the girls...

..that <3 teh cock



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#226 Nov 18 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Mindel wrote:
I still maintain my staunch opinion that Elinda is a stupid cunt.
I bet you say that to all the girls...

..that <3 teh cock



I'll take pie over sausage any day.

Just sayin'
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