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#1 Nov 10 2008 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Obama launches Web site to reach public



points of interest from the article include:

Within 24 hours of last week's historic vote, his transition team rolled out change.gov, a Web site that promises to be "your source for the latest news, events and announcements so that you can follow the setting up of the Obama administration."

predicted that Obama will use online video and interactivity to revolutionize the way the commander in chief communicates.

"I think the days of just a Saturday morning radio address and an occasional press conference as the way the president speaks to the American public are over," Raseij said.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Barack Obama starts doing a weekly YouTube video and also fireside chats for the 21st century by allowing people to filter up questions to him that he might answer."

The president-elect already has said he'll have a five-day online comment period before signing any nonemergency legislation, so Americans can be part of the process
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While all of those intrigue me, I think the last statement is one of the more revolutionary ideas in how we as the common person can have an impact on the government after elections.

Do you think this is the new way to govern? That we are seeing more than just history in electing Obama for several reasons, but that this is the beginning of a new era in how the live between the common people and its government is blurred? And will you be using this website to keep informed?
#2 Nov 10 2008 at 1:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've already got www.change.gov bookmarked. I'm excited about reading his no doubt sanitized reasons for signing or vetoing particular pieces of legislation.

The allowed comments on pending nonemergency bills? I dunno. Seems like a placebo to me; and if not, it seems like a terrible idea in most cases.

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The president-elect already has said he'll have a five-day online comment period before signing any nonemergency legislation, so Americans can be part of the process.
I mentioned that during the primaries. Smash told me to shut up 'cause it'll never happen. Smiley: frown

I like it. I'm not waiting for (or expecting) weekly YouTube chats but I'd welcome them. I'm more interested in the early buzz about killing Bush's executive order against federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, closing Gitmo and passing the expanded SCHIP program (which passed Congress but was vetoed by Bush).
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#4 Nov 10 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's great. Communication isn't a one sided thing. Technology today makes constant communication and ideas among a large society possible. I don't see why it wasn't really used before.

YouTube comments will have to be disabled though. Posts there are so bigoted, racist and close-minded, it's ridiculous. Even common videos conversations turn into a stew of anti-american, anti-black, anti-jew, anti-gay, etc, etc.

It's a great medium, but it's full some of the stupidest people in the world.
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The allowed comments on pending nonemergency bills? I dunno. Seems like a placebo to me; and if not, it seems like a terrible idea in most cases.
I'm largely going for placebo. I have a hard time picturing it as anything more productive than the comments section of a YouTube video. Five days worth of hyper-partisan idiocy.
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Yeah, that'll work, when half of the comments on Obama's site read "Get da *** out of da White House you niger".
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I have a feeling it won't be a *typical* forum, when everyone realizes the gummint can bring to bear the expertise to track your *** down.

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#8 Nov 10 2008 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
I just noticed this bit on the change.gov web site:

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The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.


What a great ******* idea. Get the college students involved in their community and ease the cost of education, all while building character. I'd heard about the high school community service idea before, but this is the first I've seen of the college plan.
#9 Nov 10 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here's hoping they pay someone minimum wage to "read" the comments, and they never see the president's (or any other key policy maker's) eyes. Wouldn't want him to lose a wink over sleep over them.




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They should just cull the comments into a word cloud after 5 days. He'll get the jist of it.
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On a whim, I checked out what's on http://www.president.com

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#13 Nov 10 2008 at 2:21 PM Rating: Default
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What a great @#%^ing idea. Get the college students involved in their community and ease the cost of education, all while building character. I'd heard about the high school community service idea before, but this is the first I've seen of the college plan.


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Problem number one with grand schemes for universal voluntary public service is that they can't be both universal and voluntary. If everybody has to do it, then it's not voluntary, is it? And if it's truly up to the individual, then it won't be universal. What advocates of this sort of thing generally have in mind is using the pressures of social conformity and the powers of the state indirectly to remove as much freedom of choice as possible, while still being able to claim that everyone who signs up is a "volunteer."

More specifically, these plans aim to achieve near-universality with a couple of incentives. One is a general ethic of "volunteerism," enforced by peer pressure, corporate public service advertising campaigns, earnest reports from blue-ribbon commissions, speeches from politicians, covers of newsmagazines, goody-goody student-council types who infect every college campus, Oprah, Larry King, and so on. America is very good at marshalling all the forces of ******** in our society toward a noble end, like stopping cruelty to animals or hounding sexual predators. Pressuring young people to "serve" for a year or two is a perfect subject for one of these campaigns.

A second incentive is to make college loans contingent on a year of service, or some such formula. That would snare all but the richest young folks. The hope would be that some fraction of those so ensnared will be inspired to dedicate their lives — or at least a part of their lives — to public service. And it's possible. But a larger fraction may regard the whole exercise somewhat cynically, and the very concept of "volunteerism" under this kind of pressure may turn the word into a joke. The exclusion of kids whose parents are wealthy enough to buy their way out — as young men could buy their way out of the Civil War — will do nothing to reduce such cynicism. And young people may ask why, for example, farmers are not required to "volunteer" for a year or two in exchange for the massive subsidies they enjoy. Or what about boomers like the editor of TIME, when they start collecting Social Security and Medicare in a few years? Why should they escape the maw of mandatory volunteerism?

As it happens, we already have a system for inducing truly voluntary activities that benefit the public. It's called free-market capitalism. It works this way: if you need something done, you offer enough money to induce someone to do it. There is no need for inspiration or other malarkey. In fact, the voluntary nature of transactions under capitalism is what gives our economic system its moral authority. And if the need that has to be satisfied is social — if satisfying it would benefit everybody or the worst-off among us who need help — we have another well established system called taxation. It works this way: through democratic processes, we decide as a society that something is worth doing or someone is worth helping. Then we tax ourselves in order to buy this service from someone who wishes to sell it for the amount we are willing to pay.


http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1657256_1657317_1658698,00.html?iid=sphere-inline-bottom
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I vaguely remember a thread about this, but I would love to have a year of mandatory "volunteering" something after you graduate from high school. I would see it as a choice between a number of different programs, so a person could choose the one that best suits them. Of course I did something like this by myself and it was fantastic.
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#15 Nov 10 2008 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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On a whim, I checked out what's on http://www.president.com

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Smiley: lol That is awesome.

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I'm more interested in the early buzz about killing Bush's executive order against federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, closing Gitmo and passing the expanded SCHIP program (which passed Congress but was vetoed by Bush).


i read about all that and my heart skipped a beat in sheer excitement. If he does half the stuff in the first 100 days of what is being implied, I'll be an extremely happy voter.
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Problem number one with grand schemes for universal voluntary public service is that they can't be both universal and voluntary.
It can, however, he universally available even if not universally accepted. Which helps with the voluntary part.
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if you need something done, you offer enough money to induce someone to do it.
The government is effectively offering $40 an hour, payable towards college, for 100 hours labor. Either that's worth it to the individual or it's not. If it's not, find a different way to pay for college.
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#17 Nov 10 2008 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
what's interesting is that it wasn't voluntary at all, at first:

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The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.


from little green footballs, link here:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31851_Obama_Quietly_Revokes_His_Plan_for_a_Draft

The 4k comes later, and it is a tax credit.
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I mentioned that during the primaries. Smash told me to shut up 'cause it'll never happen.


You're going to be ok at the first broken promise or outright lie, right? You understand we'll still have 50% at minimum of the current forces still in Iraq in 4 years, no movement on health care, and marginal wealth redistribution.

What we probably will have is a lifting of the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem ells, card check, SCHIP, better market regulation, Amricoprs Part Deux: Electric Boogalo, and if we're particularly fortunate and the midterms go well maybe some serious public infrastructure overhaul. All of the "Open government" ******** will be killed or watered down to nothingness.

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You're going to be ok at the first broken promise or outright lie, right?
You going to be okay the next time I'm just making a joke? Smiley: grin
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I'll be watching with interest as to how this works. I hope my politicians do too ..
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You going to be okay the next time I'm just making a joke?


Were I not miserably sick and working twelve hour days, I may have noticed. Do me a favor and save up all of the funny things you post between now and January, and when I go back to my life of leisure I'll try to catch up.

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I'll be watching with interest as to how this works. I hope my politicians do too


It'll have about 10% of the impact on raising national consciousness about legislation that CSPAN does. Your politicians will likely read it aloud and laugh.

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It'll have about 10% of the impact on raising national consciousness about legislation that CSPAN does. Your politicians will likely read it aloud and laugh.


That depends on if they take the voters seriously ...
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what's interesting is that it wasn't voluntary at all, at first
Yeah, it was. Most likely, the initial entry on the Change site was just poorly written. From Obama's campaign site:
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Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama and Biden will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service.
It's pretty clear that choosing to serve is voluntary. Receiving the tax credit requires the service. Other (pre-election) news articles regarding the program back up that the intent has been $4000 for volunatary service.

Obama's plan on page 83 of the dead tree version of his policies also makes it clear that the $4k is for anyone "willing to perform 100 hours per year" of community service.

But far be it from Little Green Footballs to make the most of an error and call liberal conspiracy on it. Smiley: dubious
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The 4k comes later, and it is a tax credit.
Again, it's either worth it to the college student or it's not. Honestly, I'm not sure what the supposed problem here is. I could see it if you were just opposed to the government giving additional funding for college but you seem to be upset about... well, I have no idea what.

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That depends on if they take the voters seriously ...


See what I'm saying? **** like that is PRICELESS! If you want your voice to be heard by policymakers, it's really simple: deliver them large sacks of cash. Everything else is mocked and laughed at. Period. Welcome to the political process.

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See what I'm saying? sh*t like that is PRICELESS! If you want your voice to be heard by policymakers, it's really simple: deliver them large sacks of cash. Everything else is mocked and laughed at. Period. Welcome to the political process.


You judge by US standards. Although European countries do legislate on similar principles of greed and self preservation there are times when the common interest comes before cost. It was the principle under which the EU was setup, to remove the need for the want and greed that lead to WW2.

One common interest to most politicians is to win votes to be re-elected. If Blair and Brown had not been so utterly unpopular there may have been different results for the takeup of our much maligned site.

Greed is good is what caused the credit crunch and lead to your economic downfall which has dragged down every other country. Maybe you need to reform your cash mongering ways? Smiley: tongue
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