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#27 Nov 10 2008 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
Lady DSD wrote:
Ahh. As I said all it elicited was a yawn. I may have missed that part while yawning. My bad Smiley: grin


I might've had some sympathy after I saw the subject the first time. When I realized he was spamming forums I lost interest.
#28 Nov 10 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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This is a person that has never posted in this forum before....funny place to come for answers, or solace, or whatever.

By his post-count, he's a regular at Alla. It's better here and in the OOT than in whatever Allakhazam game forum he's usually in.

Edited, Nov 10th 2008 11:20am by Aripyanfar
#29 Nov 10 2008 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Reading comp for the win. OP is saying someone killed themselves because they were gay, not that the OP was gay himself. Either way this thread is full of lose. Sorry but I can not garner any sympathy if some random person comes in to a gaming website to erratically post about a relative killing themselves and looking to point fingers at anonomous people. If anything, it's elicited a yawn. Now if the person drank bleach to off themselves I may be more inclined to pay attention. But all I see is some really bad trolling going on, or a really pathetic way to vent frustration and start to a me v.s the world mentality

Reading comp yourself! This is a gay man who had a gay 15 year old nephew.

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I am gay I was lucky I had a b/f at 18...
...and what does it matter whether or not DSD had noticed that the OP was himself gay.

Funny, after you accused her of stereotyping, we learn she DIDN'T know (or likely care) that that he was. Yet you want to argue the point.

The OP is anomalous, thus suspect.
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#30 Nov 10 2008 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Elinda wrote:
This is a person that has never posted in this forum before....funny place to come for answers, or solace, or whatever.

By his post-count, he's a regular at Alla. It's better here and in the OOT than in whatever Allakhazam game forum he's usually in.
No, I don't think it is.

If there is any bit of reality to what this post says then the author himself needs help....and not from the Asylum.
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#31 Nov 10 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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Is this thread actually being taken seriously?


Meh.

But GFYYOUFAG sounded a bit strong, even for Monday morning.
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#32 Nov 10 2008 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
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Reading comp for the win. OP is saying someone killed themselves because they were gay, not that the OP was gay himself. Either way this thread is full of lose. Sorry but I can not garner any sympathy if some random person comes in to a gaming website to erratically post about a relative killing themselves and looking to point fingers at anonomous people. If anything, it's elicited a yawn. Now if the person drank bleach to off themselves I may be more inclined to pay attention. But all I see is some really bad trolling going on, or a really pathetic way to vent frustration and start to a me v.s the world mentality

Reading comp yourself! This is a gay man who had a gay 15 year old nephew.

Tylendell wrote:
I am gay I was lucky I had a b/f at 18...
...and what does it matter whether or not DSD had noticed that the OP was himself gay.

Funny, after you accused her of stereotyping, we learn she DIDN'T know (or likely care) that that he was. Yet you want to argue the point.

The OP is anomalous, thus suspect.

If one person tells another person "Reading comp" then they have to expect it right back if they get it wrong, because they are claiming they read the article and understood it all, and they are claiming the second person got it wrong. I only edited that post to delete it all, because when I read further down the thread I discovered Belkira already got in before me.

I didn't accuse DSD of stereotyping, nor did I accuse anyone else of conscious stereotyping. Most posters replying to the OP weren't being very sympathetic, but that's par for the course for the Asylum and well within the rules here. DSD's posts gave me the first indication that most people might not actually believe the OP is genuine, that it's a troll or something. It may well not be genuine, but I wanted to point out that we can't assume that it's not genuine just because it's not written very well.

As for saying this person shouldn't come to the Asylum or the OOT, when they've posted in neither before... us Allakhazam social board regulars have to remember that the site is not just the Asylum and the OOT. As I said before, look at his post count. We can infer he's already a regular of Allkhazam. This is a habitual place for him, probably on one of the gaming forums, and we can assume he plays an MMO. If the OP is genuine, an Allakhazam gaming forum is part of his life, but he was feeling strongly about this event in his life that had nothing to do with his MMO, so he took it to the Alla social, Off Topic forums instead.

No, as it happens, it wasn't smart to take it to the Asylum, but we can guess that since he hasn't been here before, he doesn't know better. As for the OOT, we've had plenty of posters exploding messily over the place when they've had car accidents, break-ups, lost their jobs, had legal battles with their parents, have punched their parent up, trashed all their furniture, been having thoughts about suicide, come off medication/drugs or lost their pets. In the OOT people post drunk or stoned into incoherancy. We have posters posting depressed and desperate. It's hypocritical to accept those posts on a public forum, and not someone else's post who is a regular to the site.

Yes, Tyrendell obviously needs some proper support if this is real, and he's not going to get proper support here or in the OOT. No, no-one here is obligated to give him proper support, or any support at all. I chose to err on the side of caution, treat this as real, and offer some common courtesy at a very stressful, distressing time.
#33 Nov 10 2008 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
Go fUck yourself, you ***.

I don't know, Tare, that sounded pretty good to me. Felt even better.
#34 Nov 10 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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My Nephew is dead did he do it or you?!!!


Maybe you did it. Maybe if you had given him the love and support he needed his self esteem would have been sufficiently robust that the cruelty of his little junior high school classmates would not have meant so much to him as to make his life unbearable.

I blame you, sir!

YOU!
#35 Nov 10 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't accuse DSD of stereotyping, nor did I accuse anyone else of conscious stereotyping.
Yes, you did, and stereotyping gay people as being well-spoken and literate no less. Nice stereotype if YOU are going to give them one, I guess - lol, stereotype much?

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Most posters replying to the OP weren't being very sympathetic, but that's par for the course for the Asylum and well within the rules here. DSD's posts gave me the first indication that most people might not actually believe the OP is genuine, that it's a troll or something. It may well not be genuine, but I wanted to point out that we can't assume that it's not genuine just because it's not written very well.
It doesn't matter if we assume anything. Its a gaming forum board.

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As for saying this person shouldn't come to the Asylum or the OOT, when they've posted in neither before... us Allakhazam social board regulars have to remember that the site is not just the Asylum and the OOT. As I said before, look at his post count. We can infer he's already a regular of Allkhazam. This is a habitual place for him, probably on one of the gaming forums, and we can assume he plays an MMO. If the OP is genuine, an Allakhazam gaming forum is part of his life, but he was feeling strongly about this event in his life that had nothing to do with his MMO, so he took it to the Alla social, Off Topic forums instead.[quote]Did you read all this in a book, or make it up in your head?
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Yes, Tyrendell obviously needs some proper support if this is real, and he's not going to get proper support here or in the OOT. No, no-one here is obligated to give him proper support, or any support at all. I chose to err on the side of caution, treat this as real, and offer some common courtesy at a very stressful, distressing time.
You chose to feed him ********* If his nephew shot himself dead, his nephew had real bad personal/psychological problems that go well beyond a homophobic society. If the OP is as angry with society as his post makes it seem, then he too has some problems. Coddling from strangers on a gaming forum isn't doing him a lick of good.

It's real easy to be helpful to sickos when all it requires is typing out a few ignorant, insincere, but thoughtful and kind, words on a forum, isn't it?
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#36 Nov 10 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Most posters replying to the OP weren't being very sympathetic, but that's par for the course for the Asylum and well within the rules here. DSD's posts gave me the first indication that most people might not actually believe the OP is genuine, that it's a troll or something. It may well not be genuine, but I wanted to point out that we can't assume that it's not genuine just because it's not written very well.


I really couldn't give a fuck if it's true or a troll. If you want to give the benefit of the doubt to every loser who comes in here whining about the fact his nephew wasnt man enough to live his life the way a million others do, be my guest. But tell me, where do you honestly get the impression this isnt a troll? It was written on a gaming site, by a person who is a virtual unkown to us here in this specific forum, who is lashing out at anon posters he doesnt know. Even if this wasnt trolling why the hell would someone random actually expect true sympathies to an unknown person who cant handle life? Im sorry, that just doesnt work around here. If it was actually someone knwon here, who came to express grief, the response would be different. Because we know that person. And that person would also not come in here looking to lay blame at peoples feet, peole who are strewn all over the country and even the atlantic. Wouldnt happen.
If you want caring responses, go find a happy loving place, where there are rainbows and kittens and all that shit. You wont find it here, especially for a thread whose OP is pathetic, the poster unintelligent, inarticulate, and idiotic.You dont like that? Go fuck yourself. I dont care either way. Im not going to change and assume everyone who posts here any topic should get the benefit of the doubt. Its not how most forums work and it most definitely does not work in the Asylum.

Edited, Nov 10th 2008 1:38pm by DSD
#37 Nov 10 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to be so confusing but the question was......


Was it his fault or society?


not blaming you personally wtf!


It's your fault. You gave your nephew teh gay, ***.

#38 Nov 10 2008 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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Golly.

Have you run over any babies today, DSD? Smiley: lol
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#39 Nov 10 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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yes, Tare, I have. I mowed down 3 of them in the Target parking lot because the little fuckers weren't holding on to their moms hands. I thought I would teach the mom a lesson. And I pinged 1 more taking a left onto my street. Little kid was jaywalking. We cant have that stuff going on can we?

I actually just had time to finally dust off my DSDness and stop by to say hi Smiley: grin
#40 Nov 10 2008 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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I actually just had time to finally dust off my DSDness and stop by to say hi Smiley: grin


Got yer head out of the toilet?
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#41 Nov 10 2008 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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no toilet runs yet but I swear to Bob Dec cant get here soon enough. This one is already grounded for 3 months when it arrives. 6 months if it goes above the usual Baby deal they're not allowed to weigh more then 7.5 lbs or its instant 3 months groundation. Worked for the other two
#42 Nov 10 2008 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Wait, DSD is preggers? Where was I?
#43 Nov 10 2008 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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It doesn't matter if we assume anything. Its a gaming forum board.
Not only is it a gaming forum board, it's the Asylum. That's why I said no-one here is obligated to be supportive in any way.

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Ari wrote:
As for saying this person shouldn't come to the Asylum or the OOT, when they've posted in neither before... us Allakhazam social board regulars have to remember that the site is not just the Asylum and the OOT. As I said before, look at his post count. We can infer he's already a regular of Allkhazam. This is a habitual place for him, probably on one of the gaming forums, and we can assume he plays an MMO. If the OP is genuine, an Allakhazam gaming forum is part of his life, but he was feeling strongly about this event in his life that had nothing to do with his MMO, so he took it to the Alla social, Off Topic forums instead.
Did you read all this in a book, or make it up in your head?


How did you learn to read? I learned most of my vocabulary from context. I took you through it. Let me break it down some more. His postcount is 800 Allakhazam posts. Fact. He's not recognised in the Asylum or in the OOT by most of the people who have responded to him in this thread. Fact. Therefor I assume most of his posts have been made in one or more of the gaming forums on this site. That's a reasonable assumption given those two things. It's also a reasonable assumption that if he's posting on one or more of the MMO gaming forums on this site that he GOT here at all because he plays an MMO and wanted information. He may have gotten here some other way, but the fact remains that he stayed long enough for 800 posts, not many of them in the OOT or the Asylum.

I don't know about you, but it's been my experience that while it's easy to spam up a big post count in the Asylum or OOT, it's not so easy for individual posters to spam up so many posts per day in the gaming forums. Even when you love dishing out information on everything to do with the game in question. I therefore make the less certain assumption that he's been using Allakhazam for quite a while. If he followed my pattern, he spent most of his first year here using the search function, reading guides and asking questions and reading answers in the forum. I am not saying he has been here for say a year and a half. He may have only been here 3 months. It's possible he's been here less than three. But I think it's a possibility he's been here as long as 18 months or more, just going on averages, when you factor in the lurkers.

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Ari wrote:
Yes, Tyrendell obviously needs some proper support if this is real, and he's not going to get proper support here or in the OOT. No, no-one here is obligated to give him proper support, or any support at all. I chose to err on the side of caution, treat this as real, and offer some common courtesy at a very stressful, distressing time.
You chose to feed him bullsh*t. If his nephew shot himself dead, his nephew had real bad personal/psychological problems that go well beyond a homophobic society. If the OP is as angry with society as his post makes it seem, then he too has some problems. Coddling from strangers on a gaming forum isn't doing him a lick of good.

It's real easy to be helpful to sickos when all it requires is typing out a few ignorant, insincere, but thoughtful and kind, words on a forum, isn't it?

There's a lot of mental illnesses. Most of them are internal to the sufferer and arise from a combination of genetics with a consistently invalidating environment during early childhood, or a combination of genetics with major stress later in life.

However there is a phenomenon called reactive depression, or exogenous depression. It's a heavy state of depression that is caused by real events in that person's life, and can happen to anyone reguardless of their genetics. Very large or long-term events can bring it on. Losing your job and your home in short order can do it. Losing your spouse that you are profoundly romantically attached to can do it. And one of the classic causes of reactive depression is systematic opression or bullying. Been kidnapped, shipped overseas and sold into slavery? Beaten and confined and worked too hard with no hope of an end? Maybe you weren't a slave, but you've been looked down on all your life because of the colour of your skin, been segregated and outcast, snarled and hissed at and finally beaten up badly and left for dead for the sin of falling in love with a white woman? Anyone in that situation is vulnerable to a good deep bout of reactive depression.

How about you've been married off at 15 to a much older man you don't know, who you have to have sex with immediately and obey in everything he says. You can't escape because your family would send you back, and employers wouldn't hire you because you're female, and you have no money except what comes from your husband? Reactive depression is a strong possibility.

Ok, how about this true story from a male in my own life? He grew up in a place that used to be a small country town, but was now the outskirts of a capitol city. He was quiet and shy and used to play with his sisters a lot. His mother dressed him, and she had no taste in clothes, so she sent him to school in the same light blues and hot pinks (it was the 80s) that she dressed his sisters in. His classmates decided he was gay. He was harried in the playground, but even worse every single day for three years on a school-day, several of them caught him on the way home from school in the local reservation, and beat him physically until he was on the ground.

He was too intimidated to tell his parents. When his parents cottoned on, they were too ineffective to get the bullies to stop. The school would not take responsibility because it happened after hours and off the grounds. The parents of the bullies could not believe their beloved sons could behave in such an outrageous way and accused this boy of lying. The situation was "solved" by the boy being moved schools a long way away. Guess what? He didn't turn out to be gay after all, but he sure did have a nasty long bout of reactive depression.

We don't know if the nephew in the OP had any genetic vulnerabilities or not to mental illness. We don't know if his family environment has been an invalidating one. But either way, long term or very violent bullying or harrassment just IS a trigger for depression, with or without those prior vulnerabilities. And bullying and harassment is within the controls, domain and responsibilities of society.

If his family members had been more trained in picking up unvoiced cues, if they'd noticed his depression earlier, if they'd intervened earlier, if they'd gotten professional help for him earlier, this might not have happened. Of course, it still might have happened even with professional help. Nobby said about this OP in the identical thread in the OOT:
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And that's true too.

But where there is real oppression, there's real suffering and depression in many of the oppressed. That's another truth. Australia's sort of pretty good as a whole when it comes to ******. My entire social pocket is *****-friendly. But there's no doubting that there's lots of pockets of society that still hates, despises and fears them as sinful, immoral and threatening, just for their sexual orientation. Acknowledging that, and acknowledging that my society still has parts of it that does blameworthy things and needs to have some procedural changes to clear that up is just facing reality.
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Wait, DSD is preggers? Where was I?


Obviously not around Smiley: sly
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Most posters replying to the OP weren't being very sympathetic, but that's par for the course for the Asylum and well within the rules here. DSD's posts gave me the first indication that most people might not actually believe the OP is genuine, that it's a troll or something. It may well not be genuine, but I wanted to point out that we can't assume that it's not genuine just because it's not written very well.


I really couldn't give a fuck if it's true or a troll. If you want to give the benefit of the doubt to every loser who comes in here whining about the fact his nephew wasnt man enough to live his life the way a million others do, be my guest. But tell me, where do you honestly get the impression this isnt a troll? It was written on a gaming site, by a person who is a virtual unkown to us here in this specific forum, who is lashing out at anon posters he doesnt know. Even if this wasnt trolling why the hell would someone random actually expect true sympathies to an unknown person who cant handle life? Im sorry, that just doesnt work around here. If it was actually someone knwon here, who came to express grief, the response would be different. Because we know that person. And that person would also not come in here looking to lay blame at peoples feet, peole who are strewn all over the country and even the atlantic. Wouldnt happen.
If you want caring responses, go find a happy loving place, where there are rainbows and kittens and all that shit. You wont find it here, especially for a thread whose OP is pathetic, the poster unintelligent, inarticulate, and idiotic.You dont like that? Go fuck yourself. I dont care either way. Im not going to change and assume everyone who posts here any topic should get the benefit of the doubt. Its not how most forums work and it most definitely does not work in the Asylum.

I'm not asking you to change. I'm just genuinely surprised that a bunch of generally bright people have read an overwrought post that is full of "you"s, and seem to have taken it that the "you"s refer to themselves personally, when to me it seems obvious that none of the "you"s are actually referring specifically to anyone here, and in fact can't be referring to anyone here. Learn to speak "Illiterate". By my reading of the OP, every single "you" was directed squarely and solely at the particular Straight boys or men that personally bullied his nephew for being gay, before his nephew committed suicide. The OP makes perfect sense when read that way.
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If anything, Ari, I think you are taking this, and the responses, far too seriously. It doesnt matter if the context of you is personal or general. That point is essentially moot. Maybe this OP hits close to home for you? I dont know nor do I care. But you are missing the point that this is troll bait, which I would have rated at 2/10. The fact you are biting means your intelligence is lacking, or you have your own issues you need to deal with. I suggest you find a better outlet and deal with them outside of the Asylum instead of riding the coattails of a troll.
#47 Nov 10 2008 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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If I behave nicely to a troll, I won't regret it as much as if I behave nastily to a non-troll.

I have no need to use this place to vent stress. I have other practises and outlets for that. I come here for the political conversation. I also find some of the nastiness and trolling here entertaining to read, even if I'm not inclined to behave that way myself.

#48 Nov 10 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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If I behave nicely to a troll, I won't regret it as much as if I behave nastily to a non-troll.

I have no need to use this place to vent stress. I have other practises and outlets for that. I come here for the political conversation. I also find some of the nastiness and trolling here entertaining to read, even if I'm not inclined to behave that way myself.

Being arbitrary and mean is slightly more amusing to me than scritching my nails against the lining of my skirt to make that weird slippy/squeaky noise.
#49 Nov 10 2008 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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The OP is not a troll. He plays FFXI, FFS. This is his reality.
#50 Nov 10 2008 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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So you're saying his nephew was a moogle?

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So you're saying his nephew was a moogle?



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