Elinda wrote:
It doesn't matter if we assume anything. Its a gaming forum board.
Not only is it a gaming forum board, it's the Asylum. That's why I said no-one here is obligated to be supportive in any way.
Elinda wrote:
Ari wrote:
As for saying this person shouldn't come to the Asylum or the OOT, when they've posted in neither before... us Allakhazam social board regulars have to remember that the site is not just the Asylum and the OOT. As I said before, look at his post count. We can infer he's already a regular of Allkhazam. This is a habitual place for him, probably on one of the gaming forums, and we can assume he plays an MMO. If the OP is genuine, an Allakhazam gaming forum is part of his life, but he was feeling strongly about this event in his life that had nothing to do with his MMO, so he took it to the Alla social, Off Topic forums instead.
Did you read all this in a book, or make it up in your head?
How did you learn to read? I learned most of my vocabulary from context. I took you through it. Let me break it down some more. His postcount is 800 Allakhazam posts. Fact. He's not recognised in the Asylum or in the OOT by most of the people who have responded to him in this thread. Fact. Therefor I assume most of his posts have been made in one or more of the gaming forums on this site. That's a reasonable assumption given those two things. It's also a reasonable assumption that if he's posting on one or more of the MMO gaming forums on this site that he GOT here at all because he plays an MMO and wanted information. He may have gotten here some other way, but the fact remains that he stayed long enough for 800 posts, not many of them in the OOT or the Asylum.
I don't know about you, but it's been my experience that while it's easy to spam up a big post count in the Asylum or OOT, it's not so easy for individual posters to spam up so many posts per day in the gaming forums. Even when you love dishing out information on everything to do with the game in question. I therefore make the less certain assumption that he's been using Allakhazam for quite a while. If he followed my pattern, he spent most of his first year here using the search function, reading guides and asking questions and reading answers in the forum. I am not saying he has been here for say a year and a half. He may have only been here 3 months. It's possible he's been here less than three. But I think it's a possibility he's been here as long as 18 months or more, just going on averages, when you factor in the lurkers.
Elinda wrote:
Ari wrote:
Yes, Tyrendell obviously needs some proper support if this is real, and he's not going to get proper support here or in the OOT. No, no-one here is obligated to give him proper support, or any support at all. I chose to err on the side of caution, treat this as real, and offer some common courtesy at a very stressful, distressing time.
You chose to feed him bullsh*t. If his nephew shot himself dead, his nephew had real bad personal/psychological problems that go well beyond a homophobic society. If the OP is as angry with society as his post makes it seem, then he too has some problems. Coddling from strangers on a gaming forum isn't doing him a lick of good.
It's real easy to be helpful to sickos when all it requires is typing out a few ignorant, insincere, but thoughtful and kind, words on a forum, isn't it?
There's a lot of mental illnesses. Most of them are internal to the sufferer and arise from a combination of genetics with a consistently invalidating environment during early childhood, or a combination of genetics with major stress later in life.
However there is a phenomenon called reactive depression, or exogenous depression. It's a heavy state of depression that is caused by real events in that person's life, and can happen to anyone reguardless of their genetics. Very large or long-term events can bring it on. Losing your job and your home in short order can do it. Losing your spouse that you are profoundly romantically attached to can do it. And one of the classic causes of reactive depression is systematic opression or bullying. Been kidnapped, shipped overseas and sold into slavery? Beaten and confined and worked too hard with no hope of an end? Maybe you weren't a slave, but you've been looked down on all your life because of the colour of your skin, been segregated and outcast, snarled and hissed at and finally beaten up badly and left for dead for the sin of falling in love with a white woman? Anyone in that situation is vulnerable to a good deep bout of reactive depression.
How about you've been married off at 15 to a much older man you don't know, who you have to have sex with immediately and obey in everything he says. You can't escape because your family would send you back, and employers wouldn't hire you because you're female, and you have no money except what comes from your husband? Reactive depression is a strong possibility.
Ok, how about this true story from a male in my own life? He grew up in a place that used to be a small country town, but was now the outskirts of a capitol city. He was quiet and shy and used to play with his sisters a lot. His mother dressed him, and she had no taste in clothes, so she sent him to school in the same light blues and hot pinks (it was the 80s) that she dressed his sisters in. His classmates decided he was gay. He was harried in the playground, but even worse every single day for three years on a school-day, several of them caught him on the way home from school in the local reservation, and beat him physically until he was on the ground.
He was too intimidated to tell his parents. When his parents cottoned on, they were too ineffective to get the bullies to stop. The school would not take responsibility because it happened after hours and off the grounds. The parents of the bullies could not believe their beloved sons could behave in such an outrageous way and accused this boy of lying. The situation was "solved" by the boy being moved schools a long way away. Guess what? He didn't turn out to be gay after all, but he sure did have a nasty long bout of reactive depression.
We don't know if the nephew in the OP had any genetic vulnerabilities or not to mental illness. We don't know if his family environment has been an invalidating one. But either way, long term or very violent bullying or harrassment just IS a trigger for depression, with or without those prior vulnerabilities. And bullying and harassment is within the controls, domain and responsibilities of society.
If his family members had been more trained in picking up unvoiced cues, if they'd noticed his depression earlier, if they'd intervened earlier, if they'd gotten professional help for him earlier, this might not have happened. Of course, it still might have happened even with professional help. Nobby said about this OP in the identical thread in the OOT:
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It's usually the case [in cases like this] that the balance between the challenges one faces outweigh one's ability to cope.
And that's true too.
But where there is real oppression, there's real suffering and depression in many of the oppressed. That's another truth. Australia's sort of pretty good as a whole when it comes to ******. My entire social pocket is *****-friendly. But there's no doubting that there's lots of pockets of society that still hates, despises and fears them as sinful, immoral and threatening, just for their sexual orientation. Acknowledging that, and acknowledging that
my society still has parts of it that does blameworthy things and needs to have some procedural changes to clear that up is just facing reality.