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#1 Nov 07 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, Reid & Lieberman are in "talks". The Democratic caucus wants to strip Lieberman of his plum Homeland Security Committee chair position as punishment for his support for McCain and perhaps give him a sub-scommittee chair. Lieberman says that that's "unacceptable". McConnell is trying to woo Liberman to the Republican caucus. However, that means Lieberman loses any chairs since he'll be in the minority party (and the Democrats aren't likely to lose six Senate seats any time real soon). Also, despite his hawkish stance on Iraq, Lieberman's a big ole liberal on most issues. On any non-Iraq issue, Lieberman would be at odds with new friends.
Will Lieberman find his home with the Democrats or the Republicans?
Democrats:31 (63.3%)
Republicans:18 (36.7%)
Total:49
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#2 Nov 07 2008 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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On the one hand, I don't give a happy fUCk what Lieberman deems unacceptable.

On the other hand, maybe if he goes over to the Pubbies he can help them find their way back toward the center.
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#3 Nov 07 2008 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I do think they should let him keep his committee position. You don't want to wade into the territory of removing someone from a Homeland Security position based on their candidate endorsement. It's poor on principle, and the Republicans would have a field day with it.



#4 Nov 07 2008 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I do think they should let him keep his committee position. You don't want to wade into the territory of removing someone from a Homeland Security position based on their candidate endorsement. It's poor on principle, and the Republicans would have a field day with it.






I don't think it's so much that he endorsed Senator McCain as much as it is his attacks on President-Elect Obama and running Democratic senate/representative hopefuls.

If it brings us to that 60 seat mark though, I'd like to see President-Elect Obama somehow diffuse the situation and perhaps cool some hot-heads. If he were to reach out to Senator Lieberman, perhaps that would diffuse the Democratic Caucus and unify Senator Lieberman with the Democratic Caucus.
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trickybeck wrote:

I do think they should let him keep his committee position. You don't want to wade into the territory of removing someone from a Homeland Security position based on their candidate endorsement. It's poor on principle, and the Republicans would have a field day with it.






I don't think it's so much that he endorsed Senator McCain as much as it is his attacks on President-Elect Obama and running Democratic senate/representative hopefuls.

If it brings us to that 60 seat mark though, I'd like to see President-Elect Obama somehow diffuse the situation and perhaps cool some hot-heads. If he were to reach out to Senator Lieberman, perhaps that would diffuse the Democratic Caucus and unify Senator Lieberman with the Democratic Caucus.
More likely, Lieberman would just use his power as a swing vote to get whatever the hell he wants. He's no dummy, he tosses his chips in with whoever's at the wheel.
#6 Nov 07 2008 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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What happens to his re-election chances if he switches caucuses? All those NE states blend together for me but wouldn't he be damaged goods if he did so?

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His re-election is in 2012. I guess he has plenty of time to position himself.

Edited, Nov 7th 2008 2:45pm by baelnic
#7 Nov 07 2008 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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What happens to his re-election chances if he switches caucuses? All those NE states blend together for me but wouldn't he be damaged goods if he did so?
After this tenure he's probably done in Democratic Politics as far as re-election goes. It'll be hard for him to get elected as a Republican and Independent is so/so.

#8 Nov 07 2008 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
I think it's pending on those last three senate races.

If Dems win all three and they are at 59 to the Republicansd 40, Lieberman will be forgiven and allowed to stay in the caucus on the contingency that he Does Not ***** Things Up For Us.

If the Dems lose even one of those three seats and it becomes 58/41, Joe can kiss his committee assignments goodbye.
#9 Nov 07 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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It goes to show how far he'll go to be bi-partisan.


Fuck that off the reservation motherfucker. I CANNOT WAIT to go work for whoever runs in CN in '12. I'll work 18 hour days for a year for free, and I'm not alone. Lieberman & Shays LLP has a nice ring to it.

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#10 Nov 08 2008 at 5:26 AM Rating: Good
I cannot see the Democrats cutting him loose. He is divergent on several issues from the Democrats (Iraq in particular) but the fact remains that he -is- a Democrat for the most part and doesn't mesh well with Republicans.

The party will not remove him from the caucus, if only because his solid vote brings them one step closer to the magical sixty. I think my other me, Catwho, is mistaken about it depending on the three senate races in how important that they are. Even if they are two votes shy, they need him to bring him that much closer to filibuster proof.

While something most likely will be done, I doubt that he'll get stripped. That would be bad policy for the Democrats. They most certainly will not kick him out from the caucus.
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#11 Nov 09 2008 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
actually, they need to ignore him. that cushy chair should be taken from him, but other than that, let him decide without any pre conditions.

we really need to move away from this "us or them" attitude in not only congress, but the legislature, and america as a whole. this divide and conqer thing may win elections, but all it really accomplishes for the country is to.....divide. its bad for the country.

so take the chair, then ignore him and let him do the job his constituients elected him to do. booting him out just reinforces the "us or them" attitude. the reality is, most americans have more incommon than not. this party agenda division that sprouts up these "us or them" radio talk shows, fox news, msnbc crap is bad for the country. it breeds hate, fear mongering, and intellegant people making decisions based not on whats best for the country, but whats best for the party.

the bush addministraition is the poster child for where thinking like that leads.

we can do better, and we should.
#12 Nov 09 2008 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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so take the chair, then ignore him and let him do the job his constituients elected him to do. booting him out just reinforces the "us or them" attitude. the reality is, most americans have more incommon than not. this party agenda division that sprouts up these "us or them" radio talk shows, fox news, msnbc crap is bad for the country. it breeds hate, fear mongering, and intellegant people making decisions based not on whats best for the country, but whats best for the party.


Look at shadowrelm go! He's preaching unity, and an end to this constant hate between people on the far-left and the far-right!

Oh. Wait.

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the bush addministraition is the poster child for where thinking like that leads.


Well god damn it. You tease.

Edited, Nov 9th 2008 6:27pm by CBD
#13 Nov 09 2008 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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#14 Nov 10 2008 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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I say take the chair. He won't go anywhere.
#15 Nov 10 2008 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
shadowrelm wrote:

we really need to move away from this "us or them" attitude in not only congress


It isn't a "us or them" situation. The Democratic Caucus simply doesn't trust him.
#16 Nov 10 2008 at 1:41 PM Rating: Default
He won reelection very easily as an independent despite being drummed out of the democratic party, mostly for his views on the iraq war. It was pretty shameful to watch him be denied the primary by someone who had no real experience and was only notable for financing his own campaign.

edit: I live in CT, and he was drummed out mostly for his support of the iraq war. He was the first sign of the radicalization of the left and its dominance by the move-on faction, and it wound up hurting the dems a lot, because a lot of us CTers trusted him across party lines.

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The Neispace of Doom wrote:
He won reelection very easily as an independent despite being drummed out of the democratic party, mostly for his views on the iraq war.
Yeah, but he won as an "Independent Democrat". After the election, Liberman was on one of the radio shows (Hannity or O'Rielly, I don't remember which) and they asked him about switching caucuses, especially important because he was what would put the Democrats in power. Lieberman openly said that he was elected by people expecting him to act as a Democrat and that the quickest way to lose their support would be to become a Republican.

I don't see any benefit to caucusing with the Republicans for Joe. He'd **** off folks from home, not be especially popular with the GOP unless he abandons his liberal beliefs and lose any chairs because he'd be in the minority party.
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#18 Nov 10 2008 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
He wouldn't **** us off, keep in mind that CT is more of a centrist state. We routinely elect republican governors, and tend not to be as partisan as other states like new hampshire or rhode island.
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He wouldn't **** us off
I'm just quotin' Joe Smiley: smile
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#20 Nov 10 2008 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Damn those partisan New Hampshirites. Smiley: mad

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#21 Nov 10 2008 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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well, why would he caucus with democrats once they give in to the radical wing and strip him of his chair for endorsing mccain anyways? They pretty much are sending the message to toe the party line or else, and I don't think he's the kind of person who would suddenly change position on the iraq war and start to denounce mccain to keep his position.
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He won reelection very easily as an independent despite being drummed out of the democratic party, mostly for his views on the iraq war. It was pretty shameful to watch him be denied the primary by someone who had no real experience and was only notable for financing his own campaign.

edit: I live in CT, and he was drummed out mostly for his support of the iraq war. He was the first sign of the radicalization of the left and its dominance by the move-on faction, and it wound up hurting the dems a lot, because a lot of us CTers trusted him across party lines.


That's a charming sentiment. His political career in the Democratic party is over. If you want to go ahead and vote for an impotent outcast who is powerless to influence policy, have a good time. Vermont's been doing it for decades.

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#23 Nov 11 2008 at 2:19 AM Rating: Decent
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That's a charming sentiment. His political career in the Democratic party is over. If you want to go ahead and vote for an impotent outcast who is powerless to influence policy, have a good time. Vermont's been doing it for decades.



Well I hope Governor Palin gave him a ******** in exchange for his political career.
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