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#27 Nov 07 2008 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Yet more are sacrificed on the roads than on the battle field. But, that's beside the point.

It will be nice one day when the thought of 'sacrificing' oneself to settle a disagreement between countrys is an absurd notion.
You know thats never going to happen right? Even if it does the thought of dying to protect the state from which you come from will and bloody well should never be considered absurd.
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#28 Nov 07 2008 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dying in a road accident is not sacrifice, unless you have some believe system that includes angry asphalt gods that must be appeased.

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#29 Nov 07 2008 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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Dying in a road accident is not sacrifice, unless you have some believe system that includes angry asphalt gods that must be appeased.



We can use their blood and bones to fill the potholes.
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#30 Nov 07 2008 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Dying in a road accident is not sacrifice, unless you have some believe system that includes angry asphalt gods that must be appeased.
no but I don't believe in angry war-gods that need to be appeased either.
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#31 Nov 07 2008 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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no but I don't believe in angry war-gods that need to be appeased either.
But soldiers aren't sacrificing their lives for some incorperial god figure they are doing it to protect the country they live in or the ideals that it upholds Smiley: schooled
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#32 Nov 07 2008 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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It will be nice one day when the thought of 'sacrificing' oneself to settle a disagreement between countrys is an absurd notion.
You know thats never going to happen right?
It's not so far-fetched. Some people believed Sarah Palin was gonna be VP.

Others believed in witches, yet millions more still believe in a God. The thought of a telephone, not to mention a cell phone, airplanes, cities of millions, visiting the moon, democracies, and curable diseases were well beyond belief to ancient humans. A day when nations take take 'war' off the table as an option to problem resolution is not beyond my imagination.
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#33 Nov 07 2008 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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It's not so far-fetched. Some people believed Sarah Palin was gonna be VP.
That didn't happen either, thank whichever god you prefer.
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#34 Nov 07 2008 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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no but I don't believe in angry war-gods that need to be appeased either.
But soldiers aren't sacrificing their lives for some incorperial god figure they are doing it to protect the country they live in or the ideals that it upholds Smiley: schooled
And people drive to work everyday to feed and provide shelter for their families. You're not telling me that their deaths are somehow less valuable because they didn't while in military service?
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#35 Nov 07 2008 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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but I have no idea what that second phrase is.


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It's a sample sentence from this book.
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#36 Nov 07 2008 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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And people drive to work everyday to feed and provide shelter for their families. You're not telling me that their deaths are somehow less valuable because they didn't while in military service?
Where did I even hint at that? Lrn2read.
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#37 Nov 07 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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And people drive to work everyday to feed and provide shelter for their families. You're not telling me that their deaths are somehow less valuable because they didn't while in military service?
Where did I even hint at that? Lrn2read.
I didn't read it. I inferred it from your other comments.
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#38 Nov 07 2008 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't read it. I inferred it from your other comments.
How the holyfUck did you reach that conclusion? Please quote the part where you think I hinted that I thought that peoples live where worth less if they where not in the military.

Frankly I can't how you could but hey i'd like you to explain it.

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#39 Nov 07 2008 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dying in a road accident is not sacrifice, unless you have some believe system that includes angry asphalt gods that must be appeased.
no but I don't believe in angry war-gods that need to be appeased either.


But you do concede that war is sometimes a necessity, and that people inevitably will die during a war; whereas road deaths are overwhelmingly the result of carelessness and incompetence?

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Dying in a road accident is not sacrifice, unless you have some believe system that includes angry asphalt gods that must be appeased.
no but I don't believe in angry war-gods that need to be appeased either.


But you do concede that war is sometimes a necessity, and that people inevitably will die during a war; whereas road deaths are overwhelmingly the result of carelessness and incompetence?


All people die. It is simply a matter of when, where, and how.
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#41 Nov 07 2008 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, thanks for that bit of scintillating wisdom. The point I was making is that not every death is a sacrifice.

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But you do concede that war is sometimes a necessity


Why?
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#43 Nov 07 2008 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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All people die. It is simply a matter of when, where, and how.


That is purely conjecture.
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#44 Nov 07 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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But you do concede that war is sometimes a necessity


Why?


Oh, please.

I'm not pro-war by any means, but neither am I willing to let any sociopath with a plan rule the world. Sometimes you have aggressors, and sometimes those aggressors need to be stopped, and sometimes military action is the only way to do that.

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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
Failzor wrote:

All people die. It is simply a matter of when, where, and how.


That is purely conjecture.


True, it's just my point of view.

Sorry Samira, I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
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Sometimes you have aggressors, and sometimes those aggressors need to be stopped, and sometimes military action is the only way to do that.


Certainly

That's not an example of necessity though, at all.
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#47 Nov 07 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sometimes you have aggressors, and sometimes those aggressors need to be stopped, and sometimes military action is the only way to do that.


Certainly

That's not an example of necessity though, at all.


No? What would you call it, then?

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An example of a necessary truth is something like "a bachelor is unmarried"

You've set forth several conditions which you consider necessary for going to war, but it's dumb to pretend as if going to war is some necessary truth about the way the world works in accordance with apriori norms or some sh*t.

An obvious alternative is pacifism.

Another possibility is that dictators don't exist and that no one will attempt to invade other countries. There's nothing impossible about that, especially as a goal to which we can aim ourselves as we better society.

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#49 Nov 07 2008 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Another possibility is that dictators don't exist and that no one will attempt to invade other countries. There's nothing impossible about that, especially as a goal to which we can aim ourselves as we better society.


Invalidated by the qualifier "sometimes", as, at present and in the past, there are and have been dictators. The argument was not made by Samira that reaching a point where war was unneccesary was impossible.

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Another possibility is that dictators don't exist and that no one will attempt to invade other countries. There's nothing impossible about that, especially as a goal to which we can aim ourselves as we better society.


Invalidated by the qualifier "sometimes", as, at present and in the past, there are and have been dictators. The argument was not made by Samira that reaching a point where war was unneccesary was impossible.



No matter how skeptical I am.

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