The most incredibly stupid ignorant hateful thing I've read Follow

Well, if they're "just as likely", then surely including responsible lesbians is a huge stretch of the imagination. Just because they happen to like boinking with other females does not mean that they lack a maternal instinct and suddenly don't want to look out for their child's best interests. Wouldn't it be in society's best interest to then create an incentive for them to be in a stable relationship to provide for that child? (That is, if you honestly think people need a tax incentive to make babies when the ancient biological needs for both reproduction and companionship are not enough)

I'm not going to argue that having two mothers in lieu of a mother and a father is ideal, but in reality the ideal is not possible, and wistfully ignoring this doesn't change a thing. Once you start looking past the beautiful white babies with waiting lists, a lot of children begin to fall through the cracks. One or two mothers are certainly a lot better than no mothers. Shouldn't there be a government incentive (since you love these) for more stable households to form, in order to have more people in society be able to reach their potential?

Making the babies in the first place is certainly not a problem at all. The government does not need to subsidize something that has been ingrained into every animal as one of our most basic needs. What should be subsidized, though, is making sure that every single one of those children (especially those already born! They exist now, and are far more real than your child that may or may not exist.) are able to flourish and contribute to society.


A two parent lesbian household is as harmful as single parenthood? What exactly are you getting at? Someone please translate from gbaji into English. I don't have a lot of practice with this language.
You could always subsidize the Pill!

Children are born to single mothers regardless of government action, but helping create an environment for these children in any way possible can't hurt the situation, right?
Aside from changing social mores, right?




Edited, Nov 11th 2008 5:49pm by sweetumssama

I stay out of this as so many other's have tried to show gbaji the error of his arguments, but today had one point made clear to me.

No legal contract will make sure a persons wishes will be followed after they died, even when drawn up by an lawyer to give their oldest child legal PoA in Maryland to sign for the rest of the family, when one wishes to be cremated. Since my sister has to fly back from St. Louis were she was in route to see her first grand child and my other sister in NJ can't leave until this Friday, thankfully they do allow sibling to fax the paperwork, and dad won't lay rotting until we are all here. Now imagine what would happen if their had been a same sex partner also involve? Sorry until the Nation we decide to accept same sex marriage no legal documents will be enough to give them the same rights as a marriage gives heterosexuals now.

And now at this point in the thread, I bring you the wonderful musical offerings of Mr. Paul Oldfield, performing Strauss's Blue Danube waltz.

Surely that is a problem with th eway legal documants are being adhered to rather than a problem with Statues.

If legal documants are not worth the paper they are written on then frankly you have bigger issues than Gay(Sorry Anna, Same sex) marriage.

In my view if two people use a lawyer to draw up a set of wishes reguarding their assests be it payment of services, desposal of assest upon death or legal next of kin nomination, then (unless social services believe that the person is being coerced) that legal document should be followed, regardless of marital status, sexuality, coloUr, relationship or anything else.

If this is not happening then your legal system is worthless.

I suggest to you that until that issue is sorted out then no amount of laws being passed is going to solve anything.

Or you could adopt her, which raises eyebrows a bit.

"Fine, we won't get married. I'll just enter into an incestuous relationship with my adopted daughter. Who is nine months younger than me. Thank God we didn't get married, huh"

I like it! The 'daughters' parents might take issue with it though. And it might be an issue when her real parents die and there's an estate to deal with.

Edited, Nov 12th 2008 7:49am by Jophiel

It's not incest if you're adopted.

Beats me. But we're trying to **** off Religious Right conservatives here. I'm sure it'll touch some nerve.

Another, even better way, is to just fucking let them get married instead of treating them like second class citizens and making them jump through a million hoops to have their wishes carried out.

I apologize. I honestly did misread that one. My mistake.

Is Belkira a lesbian too?

All this she-luv and not a lick of banjo (s'ok though, I'm listening to Indigo Girls as I type this).