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#27 Nov 05 2008 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've spent like half an hour of my morning arguing with someone in IRC who says kids raised by gays are worse off than kids in foster care. So not in a good mood anymore. -_-
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#28 Nov 05 2008 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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That is up in the air, at least in California. Legal opinions differ. It'll end up in court for sure.



If Prop 8 passesd (did it? I'm behind today) that means Iowans are boned too. Ya see, California "lifted" our state constitution so the language is the exact same here in Iowa so when the gay marriage issue comes up to the Iowa Supreme Court, that kind of precident won't look good.
#29 Nov 05 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's real, real close. Think there'll be a recount whichever way it goes.

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#30 Nov 05 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's the worst you've ever heard?

You're positively virginal.
I'm reading the Freeper boards this morning. It's good times.
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#31 Nov 05 2008 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Now, now, Katielynn, you lost fair and square. Be happy with your Farm Animal Prop and the No Parental Abortion Notification Prop and let us Yes on Prop 8 proponents enjoy the few pleasures of the Day After the World Ended we can.

Besides, homos still have the same rights as us heteros do. Still do, always have, always will. What's more fair than that?

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#32 Nov 05 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
So in my humble little town, the anti-gays were out in force. McCain v Obama - sure there were some yard signs but the anti-gays were everywhere: on the street corners, yard signs, bumper stickers galore. (Actually, only second to our very local prop U which dealt with the local high school changing school districts).

They were holding signs indicating preventing gay marriage is protecting religious freedom and free speech. Really? Isn't it the opposite of that? At that point, they are just living in an alternate reality.

And I thought that was exactly what we were voting out of office. No such luck.
#33 Nov 05 2008 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why why why? Why would you argue that two gay people wanting to be married was like someone wanting to marry an animal? Am I wrong in assuming she's comparing homosexuality to being a beast?


Because they call some of them "bears"?
#34 Nov 05 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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And oh, lawdy, the lies they told, those good religious people.



No kidding. A friend of mine in California was asking for help a couple weeks ago in talking some sense into another friend of hers, someone who HAD been leaning toward the side of voting no in Prop 8, until one Sunday when her pastor gave a sermon telling the congregation that if Prop 8 passed, churches would be required to marry gay couples.
#35 Nov 05 2008 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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What does this mean for marriages already celebrated in those states? Does it invalidate them, or does it mean that they have the right to challenge it in court?


Prop 8 made no provisions for existing marriages, so yes, they could be nullified.
#36 Nov 05 2008 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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The radio ad that made me want to throw things insisted that "marriage [and by extension the dreaded gay marriage] is required to be taught in 96% of California schools". I have no idea what that means, and I can't find anything anywhere about any such requirement.

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#37 Nov 05 2008 at 12:07 PM Rating: Default
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Lol, what did the gays in was ol' Gavin "I'd like to sleep with your wife" Newsom and his smarmy it's-gonna-happen speech which caught his slimy demeanor perfectly. If the blame is to be placed anywhere, stick it on him for being who and what he is. That political ad infuriated nearly everyone I know, regardless if they were for or against Prop 8.

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#38 Nov 05 2008 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Atomicflea wrote:
What does this mean for marriages already celebrated in those states? Does it invalidate them, or does it mean that they have the right to challenge it in court?


Prop 8 made no provisions for existing marriages, so yes, they could be nullified.
That just breaks my heart. =(
#39 Nov 05 2008 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Now, now, Katielynn, you lost fair and square. Be happy with your Farm Animal Prop and the No Parental Abortion Notification Prop and let us Yes on Prop 8 proponents enjoy the few pleasures of the Day After the World Ended we can.

Besides, homos still have the same rights as us heteros do. Still do, always have, always will. What's more fair than that?

Totem


I mean this in the nicest possible way, but eat shit and die.
#40 Nov 05 2008 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Lawsuits have already been filed. Good luck to them. Somewhere around 18,000 couples have been married in California...that they may find it "doesn't count" now is just heartbreaking.

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#41 Nov 05 2008 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
Wait wait wait wait.

Marriage getting "taught in schools" is a bad thing?

Huh?

Isn't it one of the "foundations of our nation" per the Family Values guys?

What, instead we're supposed to teach kids that there is no institution for monogamy at all in the US and we should all be swingers as nature intended?

#42 Nov 05 2008 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Lawsuits have already been filed. Good luck to them. Somewhere around 18,000 couples have been married in California...that they may find it "doesn't count" now is just heartbreaking.

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I just can't imagine what they're going through right now. =(
#43 Nov 05 2008 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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The radio ad that made me want to throw things insisted that "marriage [and by extension the dreaded gay marriage] is required to be taught in 96% of California schools". I have no idea what that means, and I can't find anything anywhere about any such requirement.



The Consequences
The Supreme Court’s decision to legalize same-sex marriage did not just overturn the will of California voters; it also redefined marriage for the rest of society, without ever asking the people themselves to accept this decision. This decision has far-reaching consequences. For example, because public schools are already required to teach the role of marriage in society as part of the curriculum, schools will now be required to teach students that gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage, starting with kindergarteners. By saying that a marriage is between “any two persons” rather than between a man and a woman, the Court decision has opened the door to any kind of “marriage.” This undermines the value of marriage altogether at a time when we should be restoring marriage, not undermining it.
#44 Nov 05 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but I can't find where that requirement is.

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#45 Nov 05 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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EDUCATION CODE
SECTION 51890-51891

51890. (a) For the purposes of this chapter, "comprehensive health
education programs" are defined as all educational programs offered
in kindergarten and grades 1 to 12, inclusive, in the public school
system, including in-class and out-of-class activities designed to
ensure that:
(1) Pupils will receive instruction to aid them in making
decisions in matters of personal, family, and community health, to
include the following subjects:
(A) The use of health care services and products.
(B) Mental and emotional health and development.
(C) Drug use and misuse, including the misuse of tobacco and
alcohol.
(D) Family health and child development, including the legal and
financial aspects and responsibilities of marriage and parenthood
.


Not saying that it's not a giagantic stretch or whether I agree with the approach or not, but this is what they are referencing.
#46 Nov 05 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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/waves at BastokFL

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Nope, ain't dyin' yet. What I said still is the truth: We all have the same rights, no more, no less. Not my problem you aren't satisfied with them. You've had several opportunities to make your case to the state of California, and each time the voting public has resoundingly said marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. Period.

Lern2livew/it.

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#47 Nov 05 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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So what is wrong with someone wanting to marry their vacuum cleaner?


If we give vacuums marriage rights, pretty soon they will want voting rights too.

Then, whats to stop a vacuum cleaner from running on a purely vacuum agenda?

I don't know about you, but I don't want to be swearing allegiance and paying taxes to vacuum cleaners, that would suck.
#48 Nov 05 2008 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
/waves at BastokFL

/savors his cup o'**** and grins through dooky stained teeth

Nope, ain't dyin' yet. What I said still is the truth: We all have the same rights, no more, no less. Not my problem you aren't satisfied with them. You've had several opportunities to make your case to the state of California, and each time the voting public has resoundingly said marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. Period.

Lern2livew/it.

Totem


Conversely, if gays can marry then you'll still have the same rights as they. What's the problem?

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#49 Nov 05 2008 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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The same thing could have been said about interracial marriage before 1967 Totem...we'll get there eventually...hopefully in within the next four years. I would love for my daughter to have no memory of a time when as a country we allowed for such denial of basic civil rights to the chant of "separate but equal". I've said it before and I'll say it again, the majority have no business on voting on the rights of a minority.

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Edited, Nov 5th 2008 3:30pm by Nexa
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#50 Nov 05 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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the majority have no business on voting on the rights of a majority.


Smiley: dubious

Haha gotcha. Smiley: laugh



Edited, Nov 5th 2008 3:30pm by Samira
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#51 Nov 05 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
What I said still is the truth: We all have the same rights, no more, no less. Not my problem you aren't satisfied with them.


Not even close to being true, and you know that your version of the "truth" is disingenuous at best. Frankly this "we all have the same rights" thing is quite trollish since you know it's a lie you're twisting to try to make true.

YOU, as a heterosexual, have the right to get married to the consenting adult with whom you are in love and/or to whom you are sexually attracted. A gay person doesn't have that right.
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