The most incredibly stupid ignorant hateful thing I've read Follow

Well, for today that is. I post on a military wife board and while usually their stupidity only mildly annoys me, today I feel like I want to put electric shock collars on them. Every time they think or try to voice their ignorant or homophobic thoughts I want it to shock them. Srsly, we were debating prop8 and one dumbass posts,


Why why why? Why would you argue that two gay people wanting to be married was like someone wanting to marry an animal? Am I wrong in assuming she's comparing homosexuality to being a beast?

Even better, the dumb ***** is now trying to convince me she's gay. Married to a man, homosexuality bashing biggot.

Baby steps, baby steps. We got there in the end with peasant emancipation, with anti-slavery, with votes for all men not just land-owners, with votes for women. We are a long way down the road with equality for non-whites, and almost totally there with equality for women.

It takes time. You are helping the cause along, Katie, by arguing the issue. talk enough to enough people, and eventually "we" will have enough people convinced to put equal rights into laws.

Hell, you're the republican, you tell us.

Ahem! I am not, nor have I ever registered with one part or the other. I am walk the line between the two, but I lean to the blue.

So what is wrong with someone wanting to marry their vacuum cleaner?

It was very interesting looking at the demographic breakdown for California's Prop 8 last night. As of the time I went to bed, it was 50/50 among women, but the only demographic where the majority voted NO was in the 18-29 age group, with 63% opposing.

I'm beginning to think that (since we seem to insist on putting gay rights up for a vote whereas that's never been done with civil rights issues before--desegregation didn't happen because the people voted for it, nor did women get the vote that way) what's necessary for gay rights to finally just HAPPEN is going to be the passing of the older generation. Which is monumentally unfair--you shouldn't have to tell people who are being treated like second-class citizens that they have to wait 20 years to be treated fairly, but it looks like that's what's going to have to happen.

Edited, Nov 5th 2008 7:09am by Ambrya

Listen, I've been out since 1990. I've been aware of my identity since the mid-80s. Back then, the amount of representation in the media was virtually nil. What, there was that guy on Soap and that was about it. No major celebrities, movie stars, not that many mainstream singers-- let's be honest, I didn't know anyone who was out for the first 18 years of my life and I distinctly remember thinking that I was @#%^ed if I was going to live my life this way--totally isolated and depressed. I also had kids constantly said that if they saw a homosexual on sight, they think they should have the right to say something. I'll be honest, I knew alot of dudes that reminded me of Brokeback Mountain.

The fact that this is a real issue--that we have a president that even mentions gay Americans, that it is even being debated, is a major shift in American consciousness. The status of ***** people has shifted enormously in the last 18 years--it's a seismic shift, not only in visibility but in acceptance. I see this in my community, in my family and in the country at large.

I remember when Reagan could not even mention AIDS at the height of the epidemic.

This might be a set back but we're never going back to the way it used to be. I have confidence that one day ***** people will be granted all the rights that are granted to straight people in the US.



Edited, Nov 5th 2008 10:37am by Annabella

It's been a tough morning for me with this topic. When I woke up, I checked the results for Prop. 8, 2, and 102 and felt depressed when I saw the results, and it cast a shadow over what was a very good election cycle for me.

Not ten minutes ago, I just got off the phone with a girl I know in CA, who had called me up crying because now she can't have the possibility of getting married anymore. It's not that she had someone she was thinking about marrying, it's not the fact that she had someone that she was planning on getting married to, it was the fact that the fact that she had the chance was ripped away from her...

Listening to her broke my heart, and makes me wonder how people can do this to other people.

It's a failure of conscience, that's all I can think to say.

I just hope that I can have faith rebuilt in it.

Edit: Fixed a grammar error that made my post make less sense.

Edited, Nov 5th 2008 12:10pm by Nightsintdreams

It's a slow process, but you could see it last night. People are losing some of their paranoid xenophobia.

Eventually the very idea of a "prop 8" will be seen as a vile and barbaric policy.

But you can't ask for change too quickly..

You'd certainly not have the disease transmission issues that you'd have marrying a bio-organism. Arguably, sex could be interesting if not sterile. I'd just don't think I could commit to a life of bag changing.

They banned 'gay' adoption specifically, or adoption to non married partners?

What does this mean for marriages already celebrated in those states? Does it invalidate them, or does it mean that they have the right to challenge it in court?