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#28 Nov 04 2008 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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AshOnMyTomatoes, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
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If marijuana were legalized, I'd be all for putting the same restrictions on its public use that currently exist for cigarettes. I don't see how that's an inconsistent position.


Restrictions? What like label packaging?

MJ can cause birth defects and an uncontrollable urge to eat Doritos.

It doesn't work like that. MJ is a drug and should be illegal. I just don't think that the stupid 18 yr old kid that gets caught with a joint needs to have a "major" crime on their permanent record.
If cigarettes and alcohol were a brand new product coming out today, they'd also be illegal drugs.


True. Cigarettes and alcoholic are much more addictive and more lethal than marijuana.
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#29 Nov 04 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Commander Annabella wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
shadomen wrote:
kylen wrote:
If marijuana were legalized, I'd be all for putting the same restrictions on its public use that currently exist for cigarettes. I don't see how that's an inconsistent position.


Restrictions? What like label packaging?

MJ can cause birth defects and an uncontrollable urge to eat Doritos.

It doesn't work like that. MJ is a drug and should be illegal. I just don't think that the stupid 18 yr old kid that gets caught with a joint needs to have a "major" crime on their permanent record.
If cigarettes and alcohol were a brand new product coming out today, they'd also be illegal drugs.


True. Cigarettes and alcoholic are much more addictive and more lethal than marijuana.
MJ may be less intoxicating than alcohol, but you're still inhaling smoke. It's got to come with a lot of the same health effects of cigarette use. And you're still causing endorphine release, which is addictive in any repeatable activity.

Don't try and justify one drug over an other. As far as I'm concerned it should be all or none, and I'd prefer none.
#30 Nov 04 2008 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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It's got to come with a lot of the same health effects of cigarette use.


Kinda. While the smoke does have more carcinogens than tabacco, the THC actually has anti-carcinogens. Coupled with the fact that pot smokers tend to smoke much less than tabacco users, it's actually better for your health.

What you eat while high may not be, however.
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#31 Nov 04 2008 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Prop 1. Legalize Medical Marijuana.
Prop 2. Legalize Embryonic Stem Cell research.


Any then every single position for the local elections didn't really have choices. One choice for one seat positions. Two choices for two seat positions. I don't know why they bothered putting them to vote.

Edited, Nov 4th 2008 6:53pm by TirithRR
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#32 Nov 04 2008 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
Also, voting in Alston was pretty easy.

You had a choice between President, Senator, and the 3 Questions.

Everyone else was a Dem running unopposed.

However, I WAS going to vote when I got off work this AM, but the line stretching the WHOLE block by the Boston Public Library discouraged me.
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#33 Nov 04 2008 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
Question 1: Abolish the state income tax?

no

Question 2: Decriminalize an ounce or less of weed?

yes

Question 3: Prohibit dog racing?

no
#34 Nov 04 2008 at 9:21 PM Rating: Good
1- No
2- Yes
3- Yes

Happy decriminalization of pot day, Massholes!

Edited, Nov 5th 2008 12:22am by Omegavegeta
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#35 Nov 04 2008 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
1- No
2- Yes
3- Yes

Happy decriminalization of pot day, Massholes!

Edited, Nov 5th 2008 12:22am by Omegavegeta


God, if 1 had passed, I was so worried about losing my job. lol.
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#36 Nov 04 2008 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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God, if 1 had passed, I was so worried about losing my job. lol.


I was worried smokes would be $25 a pack.
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#37 Nov 04 2008 at 9:40 PM Rating: Decent
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God, if 1 had passed, I was so worried about losing my job. lol.


I was worried smokes would be $25 a pack.


They almost are where I live! Good thing I've never smoked.
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#38 Nov 04 2008 at 10:00 PM Rating: Good
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After standing in a line that wrapped around the block for 10 minutes this morning and realizing that it was going to take 2 hours to get into the voting booth, I gave up and went into work. Not looking forward to standing in it again tonight ><.

And... no line whatsoever at the polling station when I got back from work tonight. Yay for procrastination!

People are still cheering and honking their horns in Davis Square. Feels like World Series '04, except this time the entire world won.
#39 Nov 04 2008 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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It's looking like gays will be constitutionally barred from marrying in California. 15% of the precincts reporting and "Yes" is up 55%-45% or 300,000 votes.

Sucks to be stuck with just the normal everyday rights typical taxpayers are left with, huh, gay-zers? No special rights for you!

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#40 Nov 05 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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It's looking like gays will be constitutionally barred from marrying in California. 15% of the precincts reporting and "Yes" is up 55%-45% or 300,000 votes.

Sucks to be stuck with just the normal everyday rights typical taxpayers are left with, huh, gay-zers? No special rights for you!

Totem


Wait....normal everday typical taxpayers can't marry now?
#41 Nov 05 2008 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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It's looking like gays will be constitutionally barred from marrying in California. 15% of the precincts reporting and "Yes" is up 55%-45% or 300,000 votes.

Sucks to be stuck with just the normal everyday rights typical taxpayers are left with, huh, gay-zers? No special rights for you!

Totem


Wait....normal everyday typical taxpayers can't marry now?


No, his argument is that everyone, gay or straight, has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Thus it is equal.
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#42 Nov 05 2008 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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DaimenKain wrote:
Totem wrote:
It's looking like gays will be constitutionally barred from marrying in California. 15% of the precincts reporting and "Yes" is up 55%-45% or 300,000 votes.

Sucks to be stuck with just the normal everyday rights typical taxpayers are left with, huh, gay-zers? No special rights for you!

Totem


Wait....normal everyday typical taxpayers can't marry now?


No, his argument is that everyone, gay or straight, has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Thus it is equal.


Just like how back in the day, all people of the same race could marry. Why'd we get rid of that?..that was equal.
#43 Nov 05 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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DaimenKain wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Totem wrote:
It's looking like gays will be constitutionally barred from marrying in California. 15% of the precincts reporting and "Yes" is up 55%-45% or 300,000 votes.

Sucks to be stuck with just the normal everyday rights typical taxpayers are left with, huh, gay-zers? No special rights for you!

Totem


Wait....normal everyday typical taxpayers can't marry now?


No, his argument is that everyone, gay or straight, has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Thus it is equal.


Just like how back in the day, all people of the same race could marry. Why'd we get rid of that?..that was equal.


Didn't say it was correct, just what it was :)
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#44 Nov 05 2008 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
TirithRR wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Totem wrote:
It's looking like gays will be constitutionally barred from marrying in California. 15% of the precincts reporting and "Yes" is up 55%-45% or 300,000 votes.

Sucks to be stuck with just the normal everyday rights typical taxpayers are left with, huh, gay-zers? No special rights for you!

Totem


Wait....normal everyday typical taxpayers can't marry now?


No, his argument is that everyone, gay or straight, has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Thus it is equal.


Just like how back in the day, all people of the same race could marry. Why'd we get rid of that?..that was equal.


Didn't say it was correct, just what it was :)


Oh I know; I've seen enough of your posts to know you're not an idiot. I was just using your post as a springboard to a pre-emptive strike against amor or someone giving it a "QFT"
#45 Nov 05 2008 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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But we didn't get rid of that. It's always been that way. People of the same race could and still can get married. What's your point?

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#46 Nov 05 2008 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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But we didn't get rid of that. It's always been that way. People of the same race could and still can get married. What's your point?

Totem


/forehead slap

Cliff Note version: Saying gay people shouldn't get married is just as ignorant/retarded/dumb/bigoted as saying people of different races shouldn't marry.

I don't understand people who are against gay marriage. What does it hurt exactly? I've heard gbaji say that tax breaks are given to married couples to faciliate/reward/whatever procreation, but marriages with a sterile person are still valid.

You said "no special rights for you" like they're asking for something extra. They're only asking for exactly what every straight American is able to have: the ability to marry the person they've fallen in love with. What special rights are they asking for?

Every argument that is used today against gay marriage (save the procreation thing) was used against interracial marriage in the past. What's so scary about it to you guys?

Do you honestly believe that marriage is some sacred thing that can be tarnished by allowing gays to marry? Sorry, but that's only your close minded view.

Gay people are no different from you and me. So what if they choose to love a person of the same sex. How is that SO bad? It's not unnatural; male geese frequently engage in sexual/quasi-romantic relationships with other male geese, as do many other animals.





#47 Nov 05 2008 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry, it was a typo just sitting out there begging to be pointed out.

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#48 Nov 05 2008 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously? I'd say it was the gay community's fault for an entrenched resistance to more and more special rights.

If pro-gay marriage advocates weren't so vociferous in their determination to jam their beliefs down our throats and could guarantee that those of us who believe gay marriage is wrong wouldn't be subjected to those beliefs, then maybe it'd be different. But ever since the '80's with ACT-UP, gays insisting on being flamboyant during things like St. Patrick Day parades, etc etc etc, the whole, "I here, I'm *****, deal with it!" and "Loud, proud, love to drink man-chowd" attitude ticks most typical heteros off. Apparently you can't be gay and just... normal. They have to be in your face and that grates on most people.

/shrugs

Like I have said before, I personally have no trouble with gays. Just don't be so publically and flamobyantly... gay. Ease up. Relax. Fit in with heteros. That's all.

Look at it this way: You guys get all pissed off when these supposed Christians jam their beliefs down your throat. Well, gays do the same thing, just with more color coordination and better shoes, heh. Like I said, ease up and relax.

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#49 Nov 05 2008 at 6:24 PM Rating: Default
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Seriously? I'd say it was the black community's fault for an entrenched resistance to more and more special rights.

If pro-interracial marriage advocates weren't so vociferous in their determination to jam their beliefs down our throats and could guarantee that those of us who believe interracial marriage is wrong wouldn't be subjected to those beliefs, then maybe it'd be different.

/shrugs

Like I have said before, I personally have no trouble with blacks. Just don't be so publically and flamobyantly..black. Ease up. Relax. Fit in with the whites That's all.


Totem


Wow really?

But seriously, you're still not explaining to me how gay marriage is so bad that is should be outlawed. Unless you're going to accept that it's because you're a bigot.

What are the specific reasons behind your judgement that gay marriage is wrong? I honestly hope you're not gonna go the "it's in the Bible" route or anything. What does that leave?

Destroys the traditional view of what marriage is? Again, in a nation where ~50% of marriages end in divorce, I don't think the sacred status of marriage is upheld much.

"Marriage is about making children"...worst argument ever since sterile couples are still allowed to marry.

I mean, outside of plain old cowardly bigotry, what other excuses are there against gay marriage?
#50 Nov 05 2008 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
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Bigot? Umm, ok, I guess.

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#51 Nov 06 2008 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
This is a Massachusetts thread: we have civil unions here.

And then they can go get married in those weird "churches" that marry people.

There's a 5 page thread in the OOT about gay marriage. Shoo.
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