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So I was just wondering why a vast majority of you guys are Dems? Tell me and then you can sub-default me for posting what you think is a completely pointless topic. See fun for everyone. I just ask that you respond to my question before you sub-default me. Please.

Oh, and just for clarification I'm not a hardcore right-winger. However I am in agreeance with about everything the repubs stand for atm.

Dunno why anyone thinks that about me, personally. I argue with gbaji more for entertainment than out of any actual disagreement with him. I argue with AmorTonight because he's a fucking idiot.

And as far as "separation of church and state"... how the hell are you supposed to implement an effective Communist state without nullifying that, and thereby using the threat of eternal damnation to ensure that everyone does their fair share? :-D

I know I've just never seen everyone's entire stance in one place. Mostly, it's piecemeal and in recent years my memory has gone to hell. I have no idea why.


See, I can't agree with the dems on that stance. I realize that it may be a woman's choice on whether or not she could kill an innocent child. However, any spin you put on it it's still punishing a child for the mother being a moran. You can't call a child an accident from sex. That's the main purpose of the act, to reproduce. So, why punish a completely innocent child that has a clean slate for one's mistake.

Now, you guys can claim all you want that it can't be called a child during a normal abortion because it's not even an embryo usually, or it cannot think at that point. Or that it's just a blob of blood. Well I've always been told that blood is thicker than water that blood is still your child.

Also, one can claim that it's just a parasite until born. Well, by that logic then an infant breast feeding is a parasite. A toddler that needs potty trained and taken to school is a parasite. A teenager who asks their parents for money for an Xbox 360, a computer, or even just for food is a parasite. Thus, by that very logic a child can be aborted at any time.

Lastly on this point, what is your stance on end-term abortions? Also, the stance on if the baby survives the abortion/the abortion fails should the baby recieve medical treatment or be left to die from neglect. BTW, Obama votes for the latter of the two.


Well, I'd love to see the government pull that off. Obama says that if you have good health care you can keep it. Or, you can recieve the health care the politicians get. Regretfully, the majority of the people in the USA are going to jump on the politicians health care bandwagon. This is going to create a burden on the system. Who's paying for this burden? The rich , the only people able to supply us with jobs, but the rich aren't going to be able to carry this burden alone. So, essentially we are going to pay for our own bandwagon.

On a side note that I didn't mention, I can't understand the Dems taxing mentality. If one taxes the rich man making a million dollars a year at a company with 10 employees(This is after he pays everyone's salaries and his cost, thus his profit is a mil). Very similar to my company, and say this tax is going to lower his profit to 900,000. He's not going to take that loss, he likes making a mil a year. So, he is going to fire one of his ten employees and make the 9 work harder, and they will because they need their jobs. So, the guy who got fired is no longer going to Best Buy and buying things. No longer going to Wal-mart or Kroger or whatever grocery store and buying groceries. Say this happens to every large business and small business (a business making 250,000 a year is the smallest of small business) around. This then causes a negative effect upon the economy. Not to mention the fact that the remaining employees will save more out of fear of losing their jobs. This less spending more saving mentality will then FINISH this recession, by putting us clear into a depression. I just don't understand how anyone could not understand trickle down economics. Obama's theory of Trickle up Economics just won't work.

That's fine. I do agree with them though, hence my Democrat leanings.Me too. And I know it won't even be tried, much less succeed, under a Republican government.Maybe you can explain it to the shrinking middle class.

It's late and I'm not really interested in defending all of my stances. You just asked why I aligned myself with the Democrats.

Yeah I just figured I'd reply and skip the inevitable question.

Why are you aligned with the republicans?

Kill two birds with one stone. That's usually a good thing right?

And I know it's pretty much a by now. But just like every good repub I gotta have this thread to fall back to and go "See I told you so."
If in my best case scenario Obama doesn't live up to his word. He prolly will though. Only not the way everyone thinks he will. He sure is a MASTER of twisting words.

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I have a feeling that's what a lot of people are going to say.

Edited, Nov 4th 2008 2:16am by weedjedi

Umm, since the dawn of this nation...

1607:Jamestown arguably the start of the USA, rich guy sends people to here to work for him. They live here working for said rich man. Many die in winter there are some tragedies however, overall it works. Jamestown becomes important city in the territory of Virgina and was the capital for awhile.

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This country itself was created upon trickle down economics. Every factory ever made, every business ever created. All of it was started in the theory of trickle down economics.

If anyone wishes to make more money then they need a skill. Not a government handout, which would be trickle up econ. This nation was built, created, and sustained on the theory of trickle down economics. Oh, and the theory that you need to seize what you want because NOBODY is gonna hand it to you. Yet everyone still waiting in the cheese line ******* and moans about how they can't get ahead but won't even make a legit attempt to do so...hmm. So, before laziness trickle down econ worked because people fought for their fair shake. Now in the advent of laziness, the solution to everything is make someone else GIVE you your fair shake. Even if Obama wins and does as he says and gives them their fair shake, what percentage of them do you think will actually act upon said shake?

Environment, civil rights (mainly gay and immigrant), abortion, separation of church and state, health-care.

To add to the immigration point, I will never vote for a party that continues to push for English as the official language of America.

There are a lot of things, certainly too many to post here at this hour, but really why ask when you already know the answer.

EDIT - Oh gosh darn it Joph. Do you ever friggen sleep! Didn't notice that I parroted your post.

Edited, Nov 4th 2008 12:34am by baelnic

You don't have the slightest idea of what trickle-down economics is.

Really? Then Enlighten me. If I'm ignorant to what I am saying than please aid me in being less ignorant. I really don't like talking out of ignorance. And, seriously no sarcasm there I really would like to know what I don't understand.

I was always under the impression that being a menial worker, nobody below me. I work to make everyone above me richer. And for me working to make them richer they pay me a menial salary equal to that of my status of a menial worker. I was always under the impression that Trickle down econ would be that I work to make a man richer and out of the kindness of his heart he pays me a piece of what I made for him for making for him.

Trickle down economics is the idea that the wealthy are the ones who invest in creating businesses. Thus by increasing their funds we allow for job creation and infrastructure growth. It has nothing to do with government handouts, unless you consider shifting the tax burden a handout, and in that case it's a handout to the wealthy.

Edited, Nov 4th 2008 1:56am by Allegory

Not exactly.

Trickle-down, in theory, is where, as a result of your employer having less money taken in taxes, said employer proceeds to reinvest the marginal difference into expanding/improving the company, thereby helping the economy.

In practice, it's where, as a result of your employer having less money taken in taxes, they proceed to pocket the difference and then make everyone work harder with worse equipment.

So even if the idea is correct won't the CEOs always be greedy according to you? Thus the plan would be spoiled every single time. So why support it?

Curse you! I forgot about AM radio. How many people listen to AM radio on a daily basis? It's mostly old people right? Most are Dems though....odd how that works. The Democratic party sees old people as a burden, but they still are dems.



Thanks, Allegory and PunkFloyd.



Because, I vote upon the theory not against the greed. Because even in trickle up greed will find it's way into corrupting that. So why not vote because my ideas align with the Republican's ideas, and my morals to boot.

The only thing I don't agree with is them being against gay marriage. Because seriously, how on earth could letting two men or two women marry affect the social ideas of this country any more than everything else has..?