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#27 Nov 02 2008 at 9:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why does the democratic party hate clean Nuclear power? Don't feed me that crap.
But... but... I remember the stories that Obama watered down some nuclear safety bill to suck up to Exelon; the owner of the nuclear power plants in Illinois (most nuke plants in the nation!)

I get my juice from Braidwood Nuclear Generating Facility. You coal users can suck it.
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#28 Nov 02 2008 at 9:39 PM Rating: Default
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MDenham wrote:
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Nuclear power is not clean.
Fusion is!

And hydroelectric and wind powerplants never need replacing!


True and true, but solar is advancing to a point where it is becoming more and more economical. I would advocate more wind, solar, and tide. Also, as Kao point out, coal can be a promising transition fuel when cleaned and harnessed properly. Hydro and nuclear are beyond stupid imo. The cost environmentally for both is ridiculous.
#29 Nov 02 2008 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
I don't like coal or the coal industry.

There, I said it.

You've got to realize, there is only so much coal. We've already stripped up most of what was easily accessible, and now we're having to literally tear up the Appalachian mountains to get to what little remains. West Virginia is gradually being flattened out as they remove entire hillsides and ship the dirt off to other parts of the country so they can reach new seams. We can't do this indefinitely.

The liberal tree hugging hippie word of the day is: Sustainability

Coal ain't got it.

The coal industry is going to die out because there won't be any more coal left. It's up to them whether they want to shift their industry focus over to alternative energy sources, like oil from garbage.

Nevermind all the diseases that come from coal mines, for both the miners and the families who live in towns around them. It gets into their lungs and their pores and eyes and nose and causes cancer and god knows what else. Plus there is the inherent danger of the mine itself; it was just last year that those poor miners were trapped for weeks and died.

So in my opinion, the coal industry deserves to go bankrupt if they can't change. They can either adapt to the 21st century or die out like the fossil fuels they mine.
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Why does the democratic party hate clean Nuclear power?


Nuclear Power is not clean.
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So in my opinion, the coal industry deserves to go bankrupt if they can't change. They can either adapt to the 21st century or die out like the fossil fuels they mine.


I got a wikked flashback to the Thatcher years in Engerland just then!

I just pictured clear as day, dear ol' Margaret ranting at Arthur Scargill and Neil Kinnock.

She dead yet? Or stil dementing?
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#32 Nov 02 2008 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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No, I live out in Oregon (the eastern half) where we get most of our power from killing salmon trying to spawn.


Here in Michigan we build stairs for the fish to climb up so they don't die.


We do that here, too, but the sea lions from the Pacific have gotten smarter. They're swimming up the river to the dam and feasting on an all-you-can-eat salmon smorgasbord before the fish can reach the fish ladder, so now not only do we have to deal with the death of salmon and hence the unhappiness of the salmon industry, we have to deal with the animal-rights people who don't want us to harm the poor sea lions.

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#33 Nov 03 2008 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Nuclear Power is not clean.
It is in comparison to Coal power, and sustainable aswell.
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You know, maybe if Republicans cared more about coal and less about gas, you could wage wars in Russia or China instead.
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#35 Nov 03 2008 at 5:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wasn't the coal industry going bankrupt anyway?


No, coal supplies 52%+ of US energy. Coal is the MAJOR ENERGY resource of the United States. You'll be living in the dark if he gets elected soon enough. (Exaggerated, but this is seriously disturbing)

*Not to mention the millions and millions of people who will be out of jobs*

This is sickening. And he is this close to getting elected, and this just now came out 2 days before election? Even more sickening. I smell cover up somewhere.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2008 10:20pm by AmorTonight

Ok, 100 years ago,

Businesses were powered by steam engines. Cities were lit by gas at nighttime. City streets had men with ladders going around lighting eaxh street-light by hand.

Private transport consisted almost entirely of horses with various types of carriage.

When we switched to electric power, world-wide these people lost their jobs and their businesses in their 100s of thousands:

Steam-engine stokers
Steam-engingineers.
Steam-engine manufaturers and their factory work-force.
Gas-lamp lighters.
interior gas lamp manufacturers and their work-force.
candle-makers
kerosene gas-heater manufacturers and their work-force.
fire-wood splitters and suppliers.
chimney sweepers,
fire-place and mantle-piece manufacturers.

When we switched to to petrol cars (gas cars), world-wide 100,000s jobs went and businesses went bankrupt in these industries:

horse-breeding, training and sales,
horse-shoe smithing,
carriage-building and maintenance businesses and jobs.
street-sweepers (sweeping horse manure from pedestrian crossings)


Are you seriously, seriously saying we all collectively would have been better off if we had protected all those 100s of thousands of jobs and thousands of businesses, in the face of a compelling reason to switch over and upgrade to new technology? How about the massive asbestos industry? We should have protected those businesses and jobs, right?


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Are you seriously, seriously saying we all collectively would have been better off if we had protected all those 100s of thousands of jobs and thousands of businesses, in the face of a compelling reason to switch over and upgrade to new technology?
He is. But let's be fair, he's nothing more than a pawn to placed on the world's chess board at his master's disposal. I'd use him as cannon fodder to open up my Queen's Rook.
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#37 Nov 03 2008 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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AmoronTonight wrote:
a steaming pile of utterly out of context misinformation


Virus?
#38 Nov 03 2008 at 6:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Washington state has one of the largest hydroelectric and nucelar power footprints in the country. Yet my bill goes up because California buys huge blocks of power then refuses to pay for them.


Sure, we can talk about the Enron deal if you really want to go there.

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#39 Nov 03 2008 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was more refering to the rolling blackout situation they had a few years back that is still ******** with our power bills because california refuses to build sufficient power plants of their own, mostly bcause of their anti salmon chopping up and anti emission and anti bird killing laws prevent them from building anything but solar at this time. Except for those coal fired plants they somehow snuck in when their laws were looking the other way.
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#40 Nov 03 2008 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I was more refering to the rolling blackout situation they had a few years back

Some of those blackouts were intentionally caused by Enron to artificially decrease supply.


#41 Nov 03 2008 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Back on topic, it's a bit disingenuous to claim that the tape is "just now surfacing" or has been hidden in any way.

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First of all, that audiotape is not "just now surfacing." It has been available for the world to hear - and was heavily promoted by us - ever since our Jan. 17 editorial board meeting with Obama. Other campaigns, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's and Sen. John McCain's, had ample opportunity to review Obama's remarks about coal, and challenge him on them before the closing days of the general election. None did.


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#43 Nov 03 2008 at 10:21 AM Rating: Default
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Ok, 100 years ago,

Businesses were powered by steam engines. Cities were lit by gas at nighttime. City streets had men with ladders going around lighting eaxh street-light by hand.

Private transport consisted almost entirely of horses with various types of carriage.

When we switched to electric power, world-wide these people lost their jobs and their businesses in their 100s of thousands:

Steam-engine stokers
Steam-engingineers.
Steam-engine manufaturers and their factory work-force.
Gas-lamp lighters.
interior gas lamp manufacturers and their work-force.
candle-makers
kerosene gas-heater manufacturers and their work-force.
fire-wood splitters and suppliers.
chimney sweepers,
fire-place and mantle-piece manufacturers.

When we switched to to petrol cars (gas cars), world-wide 100,000s jobs went and businesses went bankrupt in these industries:

horse-breeding, training and sales,
horse-shoe smithing,
carriage-building and maintenance businesses and jobs.
street-sweepers (sweeping horse manure from pedestrian crossings)


Are you seriously, seriously saying we all collectively would have been better off if we had protected all those 100s of thousands of jobs and thousands of businesses, in the face of a compelling reason to switch over and upgrade to new technology? How about the massive asbestos industry? We should have protected those businesses and jobs, right?


Liberals always taking things to the extreme. I'm all for new power sources, however the technology right now just doesn't exist for us to suddenly wake up one day and cut 52% of our power supply. It doesn't take a genious to figure that out. Not only that, did the US Government come in and mandate and tax to bankruptcy that industry? No. The private sector saw the potential of the new technology and developed it. That is the same way it should happen today. It's something called a transition period that liberals do not understand. Nothing happens overnight and if you want to tax the coal industry to bankruptcy that will send America into a depression (Not to mention Barry's increasing of massive taxes on everyone in order to spend his trillions he is promising.)

I'm not the pawn, you are. Liberals always seem to bring out this "Vast republican propaganda machine". What propaganda machine? Where is it? The media is liberal, print / TV liberal, they want to silence Talk Radio (Hello first amendment), they want to abolish the first and second amendment (Legislature that would do exactly that), massively liberal education system, etc. I could go on and on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvc0tYG_YpA

Liberals always espouse "Alternative Energy" they should say only energy that we currently don't have let's build! But, it doesn't exist in such a form to actually have the country benefit. Not only that, they base legislature on a scientific hypothesis that even among the Scientific community call bullsh*t. Why are liberals against Nuclear Energy. It is easy and safe to store the spent nuclear material, especially since it is abundant and easy to produce. We could easily build 50 new Nuclear power plants, but nope, they won't allow it. I guess they like all of us paying more and more for energy. Even Barry said energy prices will SKYROCKET. There is no way to take that out of context. Keep defending your messiah in the face of evidence any sane person would find outrageous.

Point is, you can't let government artificially destroy an industry that is so instrumental to America that would send us into a depression (His tax proposal will do that anyways...). Get government the @#%^ out of our lives, not tell us what we can do and what we can't. Next thing you know you'll be sent to off to re-education camp for littering by Barry's "Civilian Defense Army" *cough* "Gestapo" or "SA". Whatever, I'm done here, liberal isn't a suited term for you guys, it's more whacko. Defend the undefensible.



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Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 1:34pm by AmorTonight
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You do realize this applies only to new plants that don't scrub?


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#45REDACTED, Posted: Nov 03 2008 at 10:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "Energy prices will necessarily skyrocket" - Barry H. Nobama
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AmorTonight wrote:
Defend the undefensible.
When did we move on to Bush?
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#47 Nov 03 2008 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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You do realize this applies only to new plants that don't scrub?


He doesn't realize anything outside the part where Obama looks like he's saying something sinister.
#48REDACTED, Posted: Nov 03 2008 at 10:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sounds like someone can't get away from the past and look at what the future holds. Sounds about like the Weimer Republic reborn as Bush. (Figuratively speaking)
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You do realize this applies only to new plants that don't scrub?


"Energy prices will necessarily skyrocket" - Barry H. Nobama

Keep the masses poor so they get dependent on the programs that Democrats are for so it's a guaranteed vote no matter what. Genius!

Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 1:27pm by AmorTonight
Enjoy being paranoid for the next 4-8 years.
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You do realize this applies only to new plants that don't scrub?


"Energy prices will necessarily skyrocket" - Barry H. Nobama

Keep the masses poor so they get dependent on the programs that Democrats are for so it's a guaranteed vote no matter what. Genius!

Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 1:27pm by AmorTonight
Enjoy being paranoid for the next 4-8 years.


Well, he's had a lot of practice. Shouldn't be too much of a stretch, really.

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#51 Nov 03 2008 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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When did we move on to Bush?


Sounds like someone can't get away from the past and look at what the future holds. Sounds about like the Weimer Republic reborn as Bush. (Figuratively speaking)
Actually, I'm Canadian and almost everything that you seem to think Obama will do to ruin your country is already being done successfully in Canada, so I don't see how he's indefensible.
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